Liberal conservatives and conservative liberals (McCain, parties, economy, government)

[Frenchman]

Moderate "conservatives" tend to believe in conservative society (majority oriented) but liberal economy (free enterprise oriented).
Moderate "liberals" tend to believe in liberal society (minority oriented) but conservative economy (solidarity oriented).

Am I wrong?

[harborlady]

I think the difference in parties has more to do with who's the beneficiary of that philosophy.
For instance, in your moderate liberals outline, minority falls under the heading of 'individual rights', which liberatarians and constitutionalists fall under as category. Not just that minority greens or blacks or yellows have paramount influence. Women as minority is something of a misnomer in context of population; there are literally more women in america than men. However, they've not had equal rights, nor equal pay, since the birth of this nation.

conservatives traditionally have the objective of maintaining status quo. They aren't neccessarily the majority by population, but they've directly served those with a stake in america as primary beneficiaries. When it becomes a way to make sure less people are shareholders, this becomes a problem. In a way liberal conservatives shot themselves in the foot by allowing wider gaps between haves and have nots. They're running out of constituents that have a stake, and so, are only serving a few now. Mainly themselves.

[chielgirl]

I'm a liberal liberal.

[harborlady]

I'm calling these faux republicans new age republicans.
They only follow the repub principles they feel like when it benefits them to do so.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by Frenchman

Moderate "conservatives" tend to believe in conservative society (majority oriented) but liberal economy (free enterprise oriented).

You're misusing the term liberal. There are two forms of liberalism. Current mainstream use dictates a socialist leaning liberalism. Today's use of "conservative" is consistent with past use of "liberal".

I have never encountered a social conservative who wasn't fiscally conservative. Please cite sources.

Moderate "liberals" tend to believe in liberal society (minority oriented) but conservative economy (solidarity oriented).

Am I wrong?

I think so. A "liberal" society, using today's prevalent "positive" liberty definition, is socialistic and doesn't necessarily favor minority as much as it favors implementing legislation geared towards class homogenization. (I think it's working. The middle class is disappearing.)

Your use of "conservative" economy is a throw-back to the times when the right had fallen in love with the idea of a controlled economy. However, I don't think "conservative" is the word to use today.

In this age, I think conservatives accept the value of a more free-market... not forcing one another to buy uncompetitive products.

Cite some sources for your perspective, would you? I'm curious where you get it.

Originally Posted by harborlady

I'm calling these faux republicans new age republicans.
They only follow the repub principles they feel like when it benefits them to do so.

It's a few bad seeds. Research McCain and Lake's records. There are plenty of Republicans that held true to the fundamentals... Just as there are Blue Dawg Dems breaking the mold of being the highest pork barrellers.

[ViewFromThePeak]

My use of the word neo-con-munist stems from a neo-conservative's inability to keep their bolshevist tendencies in the closet with big government and a "glorious red army" Stalinist mentality, ergo the suffix.