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Old 05-27-2008, 07:37 AM
 
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Mexico is having major problems with drug cartels... alone drugs causes more deaths than any 9/11 attack or even the war on terror... these are the real enemies of America... we need to target them and kill them off completely... war on drug terrorism... we need to put a secured fence along the U.S. and Mexican border and drop napalm on all drug cartels holdouts.. we need to send a clear message to them.. they will no longer be tolerated and if countries don't allow us to bomb these cartels then they declared war on us... they cannot keep attacking us every day without retribution...

Mexico's Drug Woes a Mounting Threat to Commerce - Kiplinger.com
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Old 05-27-2008, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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We already have begun this engagement, it is called the Merida Initiative. What you are proposing would be a military supplement to this initiative:

The Merida Initiative (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/scp/2008/103374.htm - broken link)
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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evilnewbie - and I thought I was a bloodthirsty bastard. Using napalm on drug cartels means dropping napalm on innocent villagers that cannot defend themselves against the gangs. A better course of action is to legalize all currently illegal drugs, establish quality standards and pay for the rehab with the taxes collected.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Alvarado, TX
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We already have begun this engagement, it is called the Merida Initiative. What you are proposing would be a military supplement to this initiative:

The Merida Initiative (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/scp/2008/103374.htm - broken link)
Per this statement, "If approved, the Merida Initiative will provide funding for:
  • Non-intrusive inspection equipment, ion scanners and canine units for Mexico and Central America to interdict trafficked drugs, arms, cash and persons.
  • Technologies to improve and secure communications systems that collect criminal information in Mexico.
  • Technical advice and training to strengthen the institutions of justice – vetting for the new police force, case management software to track investigations through the system, new offices of citizen complaints and professional responsibility, and witness protection programs to Mexico.
  • Helicopters and surveillance aircraft to support interdiction activities and rapid response of law enforcement agencies to Mexico.
  • Equipment, training and community action programs in Central American countries to implement anti-gang measures and expand the reach of these measures."
Has the measure, in fact, been approved? I see no evidence herein...
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Destroy the market incentive (illegal market) and the suppliers will try something else. I wonder how many bootleggers were lobbying Congress to keep prohibition in force. I wonder how many drug cartels are doing the same.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:12 AM
 
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evilnewbie - and I thought I was a bloodthirsty bastard. Using napalm on drug cartels means dropping napalm on innocent villagers that cannot defend themselves against the gangs. A better course of action is to legalize all currently illegal drugs, establish quality standards and pay for the rehab with the taxes collected.
Ha! How many friends of yours are perpetual crack-cocaine abusers?
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:22 AM
 
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We need the idjit dopers in this country to stop doing drugs. If there's no demand there's no supply.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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It is not are but were. That is the way their metabolism worked. Same thing has happened to a couple of friend unable to cope with alcohol. Really too bad. I do miss them and tried to get them unhooked but they were free to commit slow suicide. Like I said. Too bad.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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You can take the army out of Iraq, but then who would protect us from all the Evildoers over there? If we don't GET THEM OVER THERE, then they will GET US OVER HERE, remember? IEDS in Walmart parking lot.

True the cartels are a big problem, but as other posters mentioned, shut them down and new cartels and drug supply chains will spring up elsewhere, as long as there is the demand here in the U.S.
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Old 05-27-2008, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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Drugs should be legalized, but they should not be over-taxed. When a substance is made illegal an underground market will be created for it (prohibition, marijuana, heroin, etc.), when a substance is over-taxed an underground market will be created for it (cigarettes).

Taxation of any legalized drugs should occur, but not in excess (such as with cigarettes). Addiction as a disease is a myth, it is a choice. Also, the government is not responsible to "save" people from themselves...the tax dollars should go into the general fund not into the pockets of rehab centers (of which, I'm sure, many will be created and give substandard care just to receive tax monies).
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