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Communists advocate socialism as the first phase of a new stage of society, but we don’t think that social and economic development will end at socialism. We see socialist society eventually leading to a higher phase—communism—where the capitalist class and all classes will have disappeared, replaced by a commonwealth of all working people, and where national and racial enmity and prejudice will be things of the past.
Socailism leads drirectly to a permanent under class and a powerful elite class. Look at the soviet union and ploland. In the end if you look at socailist leaning countries like in europe the uner 30 have a high unemploymeny rate. The only socialist or communist countries that have expended in modern times have gone to more market type economies to make these gains. But they still keep the workers at very low wages even considering the countries GDP. That's the way they atract businesses because of their low wages.Look at coutnries like north korea and south korea for a examle of wehst stae ownership brings to teh commnon man.Communism ad socailism are a con to atrqct those that have failed to compete in a democracy because of their own failures or lack of trying.In the end liberal leaders in congress would know what to do with teh oil companies because they can even run their own business efficently.
Sweden seems to be doing fairly well. GDP $48 thousand per person versus US at $46 thousand. They also have substantially less income disparity, socialized medicine, longer lifetime, etc.
History shows that the natural progression is not from Socialism to communism. History shows us that communism has been tried from time to time and it always fails within a century. It is an extreme Utopian ideal that doesn't work in the real world. Attempts to force a society to it result in using totalitarian methods which is the real evil.
Socialism is far milder and usually incorporates elements of capitalism. Extreme capitalists like to use the bugaboo of lumping socialism together with communism to bolster their equally indemonstrable ideology that Capitalism is the holy grail of economic systems. In fact, it was the extremes of unfettered capitalism and the misery it created that gave birth to the Marxist ideas.
What history shows is carefully regulated capitalism with some safety-net Socialism creates the most stable societies with the largest middle classes and the most people comfortably well off. The regulation levels the playing field so the economic advantages can be achieved with smarts and hard work, thereby providing incentives to work hard. The safety nets keep the economic losers from being desperate and risking rebellion and governmental overthrow (The Bolsheviks), plus it is humane.
Unfettered capitalism resutlted in a desperate poor class who were locked into their misery and could not climb out and a few winners who made huge fortunes with a modest middle class. Any life event could plunge you into poverty with no way out, especially for women. There was a reason the communist ideals were attractive at that time.
What the European societies have done is a little more Socialism than we do but plenty of regulated capitalism too. The Euro is certainly doing well as are the European stock markets, so it hard to say their economy is in trouble.
Extremes and blind adherence to ideology just mean sense gets blinded.
Like I've said a thousand times Democrats = socialist.
Communism is the next natural step after socialism.
We wouldn't be in this oil mess if the liberals and environmental wackos had a lick of common sense.
After reading so much of this message board I'm convinced that a majority of the people want socialism, to be taken care of from cradle to grave and will walk willingly in line to have that chip implanted in their arm that most of those who have taken the read pill would rather die than receive....
One World Order is on the way.....
burying my guns and packing the food into the basement along with the Berkey water purifyer.....
The State (government) feins incapacity, but its power has expanded considerably in the past century, through currency manipulation.
Government paid entrepreneurs to cash out and sell their companies to the public (government in fact), and sold currency to its citizens via a banking cartel for interest adding up month after month.
Inflation quotes
“Inflation: Everyone's illusion of wealth”
“Inflation is taxation without legislation” - Milton Friedman
“By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens.” - John Maynard Keynes
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History shows that the natural progression is not from Socialism to communism. History shows us that communism has been tried from time to time and it always fails within a century. It is an extreme Utopian ideal that doesn't work in the real world. Attempts to force a society to it result in using totalitarian methods which is the real evil.
Socialism is far milder and usually incorporates elements of capitalism. Extreme capitalists like to use the bugaboo of lumping socialism together with communism to bolster their equally indemonstrable ideology that Capitalism is the holy grail of economic systems. In fact, it was the extremes of unfettered capitalism and the misery it created that gave birth to the Marxist ideas.
What history shows is carefully regulated capitalism with some safety-net Socialism creates the most stable societies with the largest middle classes and the most people comfortably well off. The regulation levels the playing field so the economic advantages can be achieved with smarts and hard work, thereby providing incentives to work hard. The safety nets keep the economic losers from being desperate and risking rebellion and governmental overthrow (The Bolsheviks), plus it is humane.
Unfettered capitalism resutlted in a desperate poor class who were locked into their misery and could not climb out and a few winners who made huge fortunes with a modest middle class. Any life event could plunge you into poverty with no way out, especially for women. There was a reason the communist ideals were attractive at that time.
What the European societies have done is a little more Socialism than we do but plenty of regulated capitalism too. The Euro is certainly doing well as are the European stock markets, so it hard to say their economy is in trouble.
Extremes and blind adherence to ideology just mean sense gets blinded.
It is only Leninism that advocates a revolution, "safety-net socialism" is still socialism...it still takes from some to give to others, that is not freedom. Regulation gives advantages to larger corporations and prohibits entrance into the market by newer, smaller companies. Europe is doing well, but the average standard of living is not as good as the average standard of living in America. It is our government that is weakening the dollar...
It is incorrect that before government "safeguards" were in place capitalism was unfettered and resulted in the rich and the poor...it was not because of capitalism but because of the living conditions of the time...even in my own family they were "middle class" and lived quite well for the time, despite working in factories.
Also note that there weren't bread riots or the poor rioting in the streets against capitalists...it was only the socialist unions that were causing a raucus. It's the same sort of people today causing our country to slide into socialism...people who want something handed to them for nothing.
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