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Old 11-27-2022, 01:59 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by viralMiral72 View Post
The Elon musks, the murdocks, the Waltons, the Trumps, the Bezos, the oil tycoons, the Mercers, the Kotch Bros, and the Tucker Carlsons that speak for them.

That sure is a heap of conflation.


Elon Musk is now in bed with the Waltons, Jeff Bezos and Charles Koch (David died in 2019, btw)?
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Old 11-27-2022, 02:16 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The original post is unaware of the current Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic, and the "tax and bribe" mode of operation.

Everybody wants to be a "recipient".
No one wants to be the donor.
Voting out one gang, doesn't seem to change things, does it?
Any remedy is political suicide, too.

Imagine a candidate advocating the total dismantling of socialist insecurity & all related socialist taxes?
Of course, if all taxes on labor and industry were abolished and America became a "tax haven", imagine the repercussions.
Expatriate industries might return - in a New York Minute.
All those manufacturing jobs - OMG - eCONomic BOOM !

What would government do if no one wanted anything done (at taxpayer expense) nor tax money given to them?
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Old 11-27-2022, 02:25 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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To blame the fallout for COVID on Biden is akin to blaming Obama for the financial crisis and subsequent recession which brought this country and the world to its knees. The seeds for that were planted during the Bush years, the market was crashing long before Obama took office - the world was on financial fire. And, there we were - fortunately Obama's advisors were able to turn the ship around and pulled us out of it, but it was hell on tens of millions who lost jobs, homes. Some never recovered. I'll never forget those years as long as I live. Today's financial 'events' are tiny tempests in teapots by comparison.

But, have at it. Misinformation is the name of the age we live in these days. We are digging our own graves with hate and ignorance and refusal to acknowledge fact.

Democrats did fairly well in the mid-terms, all things considered, b/c fortunately the voters are smart enough to know there are issues far more fundamental for everyone than transient inflation and high gas prices. We're not dealing with double digit unemployment, for one. If, by now, one needs a reminder yet again of exactly why Dems didn't take a shellacking - there are plenty of threads on this board discussing exactly that.



Hey, half-truth Barbie, the seeds for the financial collapse were planted during the Clinton years by Bill "unregulated derivatives" Clinton. And at least one of the Obama financial advisors, Larry "sleepy" Summers, served as a financial advisor to Bill Clinton and recommended that derivatives be left unregulated.


His views were echoed by Larry Summers, then a deputy Treasury secretary, who likewise wondered if there was a “better way to proceed” given that regulators and the financial industry viewed the CFTC’s posture “as being disastrous for markets.”

https://www.pogo.org/analysis/2014/0...te-derivatives


"fortunately Obama's advisors were able to turn the ship around and pulled us out of it"


It was the slowest recovery from recession since WWII. Again...!


https://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-...ry-since-1949/



Democrats held off a tsunami because Biden promised college students $10-$20k in loan forgiveness.



https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/12/polit...ons/index.html



Apart from young voters that got duped, Democrats lost ground with most of their key voting blocks, to include college-educated whites, suburban white women, blacks and Latinos.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-gai...up-11668853803
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Old 11-27-2022, 03:29 AM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Hey, half-truth Barbie, the seeds for the financial collapse were planted during the Clinton years by Bill "unregulated derivatives" Clinton. And at least one of the Obama financial advisors, Larry "sleepy" Summers, served as a financial advisor to Bill Clinton and recommended that derivatives be left unregulated.


His views were echoed by Larry Summers, then a deputy Treasury secretary, who likewise wondered if there was a “better way to proceed” given that regulators and the financial industry viewed the CFTC’s posture “as being disastrous for markets.”

https://www.pogo.org/analysis/2014/0...te-derivatives


"fortunately Obama's advisors were able to turn the ship around and pulled us out of it"


It was the slowest recovery from recession since WWII. Again...!


https://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-...ry-since-1949/



Democrats held off a tsunami because Biden promised college students $10-$20k in loan forgiveness.



https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/12/polit...ons/index.html



Apart from young voters that got duped, Democrats lost ground with most of their key voting blocks, to include college-educated whites, suburban white women, blacks and Latinos.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-gai...up-11668853803
This post is pretty accurate. The entire student loan forgiveness idea has been a policy that has been bottom up. Meaning the college-educated who couldn't afford to pay outright or weren't covered by scholarships are the majority of college-educated people in the last 20-30 years.

They specifically campaigned to get their loans reduced for decades, and Biden after decades of the idea circling around the political zeitgeist actually attempted to pass it. Why would you not vote for someone who listens to his constituents...

Crime is a major issue, but it affects far less people than Abortion or College student loans. Also crime hasn't increased significantly. Murder which is a crime that affects relatively few people has...
Violent Crime has been stable for the last decade or so and property crime has been decreasing for 50 years straight. So while certain areas like Philadelphia and San Francisco are seeing crime increases, the vast majority of cities are only seeing murder increases which affects way less people than stolen goods or a burglary/armed robbery or even assault.

No way should Republicans expect to win on an anti-crime agenda without sensationalism. I still think the increase in homicide is a big issue but me and most other voters have a shortlist of things to put before crime. I don't vote for Democrat judges anymore because I don't trust them in the crime situation. I also avoid people who campaign on "criminal justice reform" outside of ending cash bail because that's classist and part of the problem is relying on cash bail for crimes were accused people shouldn't have the right to bail, like homicide.

On the midterms I voted for the Austin mayoral candidate that wasn't afraid of density because densifying the city in all core areas is the most important thing to keeping it affordable. Most candidates locally were also reversing their stance on the police. But my number one issue was dramatically increasing the number of units entering the market for various reasons. One, I want my rent to be lower and two, I work in the industry that benefits the most from increases in infrastructure, so building more and preserving less leads to more work for me in the long run.
The Republican was barely addressing the issue and the centrist Democrat was caught saying he would avoid density in the wealthy areas. As someone who already lives in a denser area and lived in the densest neighborhood in Texas, I'm a major supporter of increased density in all areas in the core of the city including the wealthy neighborhoods less than a mile from Downtown. So I voted for the most leftist candidate because they're actually serious about addressing the biggest issue in the city.

The other issues like "The Border" and "Immigration" is largely Republican issues. I live in a diverse area with Democrats being the overwhelming majority of people in Austin. They don't care about migrants, and my area is mixed racially and is less than 2 miles from multiple immigrant heavy and native Hispanic neighborhoods. Even in Fort Bend County which is more diverse than my part of Central Austin and more Republican (Still DNC overall), the Republicans here seem to be focused on Economic issues as this county is only 34% white and very wealthy. Their is a focus on the border but I've yet to here anti-immigrant sentiment in an Area were 50%+ of people are immigrants or their children.

Biden is doing really well when pushing for what his actual voters asked of him. Arguably better than Obama. Inflation getting worse is what will hurt him the most.
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Old 11-27-2022, 04:16 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Too many issues and ways to get voted in or installed.

It comes down the average voter who does not pay attention to politics the way we do on social media or forums like this. They are single issue voters even if their 'issue' is to go with the flow ie candidate like Fetterman.

They just assume many things are cyclical and will write them off. They don't even try to connect the dots or understand how things work.

Most live paycheck to paycheck, have no savings, & have a lot less to lose than most of us here, so they put a lot less mental energy into their voting selections. It's easiest for them to just follow their hive.

Black women are the largest group of single issue voters I can think of...abortion is their #1 issue by far.

It now appears to me that we made a mistake when we allowed non land owners to vote.

Allowing those who pay zero net federal income should not be allowed to vote either, & they are now the majority.

Its also a mistake to allow people who derive a large part of their existance from the federal government to vote....like fed gov't employees, officials, polititicians, contractors, SS Disability frauds, welfare Mothers, Section 8 housing residents, ect..

We've allowed too many fatal errors to occur that impact elections. It will all end, just a matter of when, & how.
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Old 11-27-2022, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Why do crime ridden cities with dying economies and fleeing populations, have die hard Democrat voters who still keep voting for nothing but Democrats to run their cities, decade after decade?
The have nots in the rotting cities are voting by emotion, & not intellect.

The haves in the rotting cities are benefitting from the status quo, so they are voting to keep things the same.

Detroit still has a Dem Mayor...& he's in his 2nd term Detroit died in the 1970's....50+ years of election madness.
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Old 11-27-2022, 04:24 AM
 
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People vote on emotion not on facts.


Someone told me they didn't mind Biden and things going up as long Trump isn't in the white house. I was like oh okay.
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Old 11-27-2022, 05:40 AM
 
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There wasn’t skyrocketing Bidenflation, skyrocketing violent crime, border crisis, war on fossil fuels, etc…, and no war under because Trump...
This post is typical of Americans who don’t know how the economy works. They see gas prices go down and think “the President must have done something good “, or they see inflation go up and think “the President must have done something bad”.

They miss the obvious fact that gas prices naturally go down in a recession and go up in an expansion, so by rights they should be cheering expensive gas. They buy into sound bites like “war on fossil fuels “ but ignore that US oil and gas production has been at record highs since Biden took office.
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Old 11-27-2022, 05:45 AM
 
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Most live paycheck to paycheck, have no savings, & have a lot less to lose than most of us here, so they put a lot less mental energy into their voting selections. It's easiest for them to just follow their hive.

Black women are the largest group of single issue voters I can think of...abortion is their #1 issue by far.

It now appears to me that we made a mistake when we allowed non land owners to vote.

Allowing those who pay zero net federal income should not be allowed to vote either, & they are now the majority.

Its also a mistake to allow people who derive a large part of their existance from the federal government to vote....like fed gov't employees, officials, polititicians, contractors, SS Disability frauds, welfare Mothers, Section 8 housing residents, ect..

We've allowed too many fatal errors to occur that impact elections. It will all end, just a matter of when, & how.
That’s your solution- only wealthy white men should have the vote? Let me guess; you’re a Republican, right?
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Old 11-27-2022, 05:57 AM
 
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Why do crime ridden cities with dying economies and fleeing populations, have die hard Democrat voters who still keep voting for nothing but Democrats to run their cities, decade after decade?
Maybe all the Republicans left when they saw the future. Who is left to run for office?
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