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What I've seen is that Musk has his own principles, he's his own man who cannot really be tamed and haven't been corrupted so far. Big mouth but also a doer. Musk is not American-born (and not Jewish which is rare in this game). Musk has no government affiliation that we know of. Musk is certainly more relatable and human-like than that dork Dorsey or that alien Zuckerberg. Just my observations.
That's exactly what I'm saying about the tide turning. Those who clapped for Dorsey back then for banning certain members and topics are now going berserk for the same thing when it's done by Musk but it's not benefiting them anymore.
About your first paragraph. It's censorship when private global platform-behemoths work with each other in coordinated effort, essentially forming a trust, to destroy competition and suppress certain topics. We are talking about platforms that have the capacity to shape mass perception of reality, they can make or break elections and people. You talk about Twitter, Google, YT, Facebook, etc like they are a small discussion board like City-Data with a simple TOS. While in reality, these platforms have a bigger power and influence than governments.
As I said playing stupid only lasts for so long and will bite all of our buttocks if let them get away with their shenanigans whether it temporarily benefit our side or not. Freedom of speech is our greatest power as people!
Are you saying social media platforms shouldn’t ban posting that promotes violence, civil war, or the overthrow of the government? “Free Speech” still is and will always be entirely intact unless Congress takes over social media and manages it. As long as the platforms remain in private hands, 1A is in good shape.
And your basic premise that conflates TOS and censorship is still wrong
I never said anything to conflate the two. That word does not mean what you think it does. My whole contention was that TOS and censorship were quite distinctly different animals.
so for something facing imminent death, it sure is pop'lar
Everywhere more people are signing up for Twitter, with surging popularity, even internationally. Democrats were hoping the departure of advertising would reduce users but the opposite is occurring.
People crave free speech, even if it’s democrat talking points. Thus everyone benefits from a growing platform that is representative of conversations among friends, without censorship. American wins here.
Are you saying social media platforms shouldn’t ban posting that promotes violence, civil war, or the overthrow of the government? “Free Speech” still is and will always be entirely intact unless Congress takes over social media and manages it. As long as the platforms remain in private hands, 1A is in good shape.
I didn’t like Dorsey either, BTW.
Banning violence, pornography, child abuse is sure thing. Postings that criticize Gov't, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Big This and Big That should not be banned - I say it should even be promoted. They have too much abusable power anyway - they should bear every possible criticism and more.
Postings about civil war and overthrowing government? Let it be. A good government that cares about its citizens should not fear about such things naturally. If people are so fed up with their higher-ups that they feel they no longer serve the common good, they should have the means to express and organize themselves. Again, the government is big and powerful enough with all the military and intelligence agencies in the world by their side, why the hell should we protect D.C. from some free speech?
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You have no idea how infuriating and frustrating it is to see people who support censorship using that sentence. It does NOT mean what you're claiming it means.
"Consequences" doesn't mean and never meant being silenced or complete societal cancellation. The ACLU used to defend the KKK. Everyone agreed then and agrees now that their ideology is abhorrent, but they have the right to hold - and speak - whatever viewpoints they want to, just as you and I do today, even if you disagree with me.
One of these days, the mob will come for you. When it does, I'll fight for your rights, too, but I'd be lying if I said it's because you deserve it.
damn good post, outta reps.
btw, is this where we advise leftists to 'go make their own Twitter'?
According Media Matters for America, "half of Twitter's top 100 advertisers have halted spending on the platform since Musk took over the company," and additional advertisers "have significantly slowed advertising to almost nothing."
"In a message to advertisers, Musk assured brands last month that Twitter won't become a "free-for-all hellscape where anything can be said with no consequences."
According Media Matters for America, "half of Twitter's top 100 advertisers have halted spending on the platform since Musk took over the company," and additional advertisers "have significantly slowed advertising to almost nothing."
"In a message to advertisers, Musk assured brands last month that Twitter won't become a "free-for-all hellscape where anything can be said with no consequences."
Meanwhile, lots of Twitter posts about folks setting up accounts on Mastadon, Post, and other emerging platforms.
Advertisers will likely follow to the platforms where they think they can best reach their customers.
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