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Old 12-02-2022, 12:30 PM
 
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Is there a cmmunity in the USA that has dealt well with the homneless issue?
Need to deal w/ enablers
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:07 PM
 
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The homeless problem is easily solved, but it is expensive and there is no political will.

A. Are you homeless?

B. Come with us to drug treatment/counseling?

C. You are refusing? Come with us to jail. Let us know when you would prefer drug treatment/counseling?

D1. Been through drug treatment/counseling 3 times and still homeless on this your 4th time free among the public?

D2. If drug treatment - go to jail, and you will be returned to jail each time you are caught homeless upon release.

D3. If mentally ill counseling, here we have a nice new padded cell to be your home unless or until we determine you can function in society.


The reason homelessness is exploding in big cities is because it is big money. Whether it is $90,000 per tent on paper, or $1 million an apartment unit on paper, most of that money is being siphoned off to the homeless services money, where a substantial amount is recycled into Democrat campaign coffers.

It is an industry.

Cities that strenuously crack down on homlessness do not have widespread problems. They have a few bums kicking around here and there in the day time who disappear at night, no tents to be seen. Just like it has always been.

It would take a furious amount of money. We just spent a furious amount of money, $6 trillion dollars in Covid economic stimulus. We could have treated every single drug addict and mental patient in the nation twice over for that money, if we were serious about fixing homelessness.

Homeless has a solution. They don't want to solve it. Homelessness generates way too much money for them to want to fix the problem.
The people behind the non-profits that take all the money meant to help homeless, but do not affect anything should also be prosecuted, and if found to be swindling/skimming, then thrown in prison for a long time in gen pop.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:13 PM
 
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Is there a cmmunity in the USA that has dealt well with the homneless issue?
Well, NYC does not have any place like Kensington in Philly or Skid Row.

I went to Cleveland recently, and did not see too many homeless on the streets of downtown. Maybe a handful. I did see this battered women's shelter on the eastside along I think St Clair ave/st.

I was in KC a year ago, and did not notice too many. Maybe they all decided to move to Philly and LA or SF.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:18 PM
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Once an individual's family gives up on them there isn't much anyone else can do. You can put them here or there but they will go back out on the streets the first chance they get. For the most part they are basically non-compliant people and that is their comfort zone. They will abuse every public space they gather on. You would think they would take care of some place that is their last resort.

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Old 12-02-2022, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by Igor Blevin View Post
The homeless problem is easily solved, but it is expensive and there is no political will.

A. Are you homeless?

B. Come with us to drug treatment/counseling?

C. You are refusing? Come with us to jail. Let us know when you would prefer drug treatment/counseling?

D1. Been through drug treatment/counseling 3 times and still homeless on this your 4th time free among the public?

D2. If drug treatment - go to jail, and you will be returned to jail each time you are caught homeless upon release.

D3. If mentally ill counseling, here we have a nice new padded cell to be your home unless or until we determine you can function in society.


The reason homelessness is exploding in big cities is because it is big money. Whether it is $90,000 per tent on paper, or $1 million an apartment unit on paper, most of that money is being siphoned off to the homeless services money, where a substantial amount is recycled into Democrat campaign coffers.

It is an industry.

Cities that strenuously crack down on homlessness do not have widespread problems. They have a few bums kicking around here and there in the day time who disappear at night, no tents to be seen. Just like it has always been.

It would take a furious amount of money. We just spent a furious amount of money, $6 trillion dollars in Covid economic stimulus. We could have treated every single drug addict and mental patient in the nation twice over for that money, if we were serious about fixing homelessness.

Homeless has a solution. They don't want to solve it. Homelessness generates way too much money for them to want to fix the problem.
It would take a lot more jails... That's for sure.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:34 PM
 
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Another MYSTERY!

LOL
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Is there a cmmunity in the USA that has dealt well with the homneless issue?
Some do better tha others, but San Fran is amongst the worst.

There are solutions, but they require money, a long-term commitment, & tough love...which San Fran is incapable of. Most wealthy residents can avoid the squalor, & the poor ones cant, but have no say.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Igor Blevin View Post
The homeless problem is easily solved, but it is expensive and there is no political will.

A. Are you homeless?

B. Come with us to drug treatment/counseling?

C. You are refusing? Come with us to jail. Let us know when you would prefer drug treatment/counseling?

D1. Been through drug treatment/counseling 3 times and still homeless on this your 4th time free among the public?

D2. If drug treatment - go to jail, and you will be returned to jail each time you are caught homeless upon release.

D3. If mentally ill counseling, here we have a nice new padded cell to be your home unless or until we determine you can function in society.


The reason homelessness is exploding in big cities is because it is big money. Whether it is $90,000 per tent on paper, or $1 million an apartment unit on paper, most of that money is being siphoned off to the homeless services money, where a substantial amount is recycled into Democrat campaign coffers.

It is an industry.

Cities that strenuously crack down on homlessness do not have widespread problems. They have a few bums kicking around here and there in the day time who disappear at night, no tents to be seen. Just like it has always been.

It would take a furious amount of money. We just spent a furious amount of money, $6 trillion dollars in Covid economic stimulus. We could have treated every single drug addict and mental patient in the nation twice over for that money, if we were serious about fixing homelessness.

Homeless has a solution. They don't want to solve it. Homelessness generates way too much money for them to want to fix the problem.
Indeed it is a racket.

I like your process because it also addresses a sizeable number of homeless that are not mentally ill but actually prefer to live on the streets for whatever reason.

If it were up to me, I'd build specific homeless communities in isolated areas far from where many people live. Each individual has to put in their share of keeping the community clean and respectable, and would be given jobs that keep them occupied as well as give them income to pay for rent, food, etc. Each individual would be regularly screened for drugs and alcohol, and be under curfew. Security will be high in these communities. Plenty of additional resources will be available for those willing to take the extra step in wanting to further improve themselves. This would include job resources (tips on how to get interviewed and hired), mental health counseling as needed, etc.

Those not willing to be part of this or those mentally ill or so strung out on drugs that they cannot function in society, should be incarcerated and dealt with as appropriate. Homelessness should be a crime, but in a way that allows the law to round these people up and force them into appropriate communities and treatments/counseling necessary to break the cycle.

As it stands now, I've seen enough videos of homeless making things miserable for those around them. I don't care if you are homeless, you still need to be respectful of others and not treat the cities like public toilets and drug dens, and victimize innocent civilians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZR_KWT7hNo
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Old 12-02-2022, 07:42 PM
 
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Maybe sending hundreds of billions of dollars to the Ukraine was a bad idea?
https://youtu.be/s47elUKUZdk
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Old 12-02-2022, 07:57 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Igor Blevin View Post
The homeless problem is easily solved, but it is expensive and there is no political will.

A. Are you homeless?

B. Come with us to drug treatment/counseling?

C. You are refusing? Come with us to jail. Let us know when you would prefer drug treatment/counseling?

D1. Been through drug treatment/counseling 3 times and still homeless on this your 4th time free among the public?

D2. If drug treatment - go to jail, and you will be returned to jail each time you are caught homeless upon release.

D3. If mentally ill counseling, here we have a nice new padded cell to be your home unless or until we determine you can function in society.


The reason homelessness is exploding in big cities is because it is big money. Whether it is $90,000 per tent on paper, or $1 million an apartment unit on paper, most of that money is being siphoned off to the homeless services money, where a substantial amount is recycled into Democrat campaign coffers.

It is an industry.

Cities that strenuously crack down on homlessness do not have widespread problems. They have a few bums kicking around here and there in the day time who disappear at night, no tents to be seen. Just like it has always been.

It would take a furious amount of money. We just spent a furious amount of money, $6 trillion dollars in Covid economic stimulus. We could have treated every single drug addict and mental patient in the nation twice over for that money, if we were serious about fixing homelessness.

Homeless has a solution. They don't want to solve it. Homelessness generates way too much money for them to want to fix the problem.
So, the homeless have to be labeled as drug junkie trash even if they are innocent. Bearing false witness against people is the standard these days. Unrepentant sin is everywhere.
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