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Old 03-13-2023, 09:00 PM
 
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The world would very quickly become a much more dangerous and chaotic place. Power vacuums, fears and ambitions that would result in complex webs of violent military conflicts.

Iran and Saudi Arabia would be at war. China and Japan would become deadly nuclear rivals as the CCP asserts itself opportunistically and Japan rapidly re-arms when they realize America is going to fall. An alliance of Japan, India & S Korea vs China, Pakistan & N Korea, could very possibly devolve into a regional or even world war.

Israel, Taiwan and Ukraine are in immediate mortal danger.

And not just on the other sides of the oceans. Right here in the western hemisphere, Cuba would began fomenting rebellions across latin America, as they seek to build a marxist empire. They've already begun with Venezuela while the US still exists.

Its not a world anyone here would want their future/current grandchildren to inherit. And they'd certainly curse our generation for allowing it to come to be.
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Old 03-13-2023, 09:10 PM
 
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Starvation for half the people on the planet in just a few weeks, and warfare that will kill a billion more. No money. There are websites that run war games simulators on this subject. You can’t believe the eco-devastation, loss of wild and pet animals, and every country would cease to exist replaced by marauders, gangs, and a blood lust of those who have any real control over weapons of mass destruction. WW3.
So mad max. That was my guess.
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Old 03-13-2023, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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It’s all one big cesspool that will crash sooner or later and everyone goes down the drain together.. if they start printing more money again it’s only to hold the house of cards up a little longer.
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Old 03-13-2023, 09:16 PM
 
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The world would very quickly become a much more dangerous and chaotic place. Power vacuums, fears and ambitions that would result in complex webs of violent military conflicts.

Iran and Saudi Arabia would be at war. China and Japan would become deadly nuclear rivals as the CCP asserts itself opportunistically and Japan rapidly re-arms when they realize America is going to fall. An alliance of Japan, India & S Korea vs China, Pakistan & N Korea, could very possibly devolve into a regional or even world war.

Israel, Taiwan and Ukraine are in immediate mortal danger.

And not just on the other sides of the oceans. Right here in the western hemisphere, Cuba would began fomenting rebellions across latin America, as they seek to build a marxist empire. They've already begun with Venezuela while the US still exists.

Its not a world anyone here would want their future/current grandchildren to inherit. And they'd certainly curse our generation for allowing it to come to be.
That’s not the world that is aimed at either. The purpose of “fundamental transformation” is to use the resources of America to form a world government that can take the place of Western dominance.

Marxist call this Aufheben.

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Aufheben can be translated as to sublate, to abolish, to transcend or to supersede or even “to pick up,” “to raise,” “to keep,” “to preserve,” “to end” or “to annul.” Literally and originally, aufheben meant “to pocket,” as when someone pockets your payment but continues to work for you.

Something is aufheben when it is superseded by something else. “Supersede” and “transcend” do not carry the same connotation however as “abolish,” in which the old is actually terminated and got rid of by that which supersedes it; “sublation” carries the connotation of “including” the old in the new, but is altogether too platonic and misses the sense of “abolish.”
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/a/u.htm

Herbert Marcuse who wrote the original “Potential of World Communism” report (OIR Report 4909) for the State department:

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The argument from historical backwardness—according to which liberation must, under the prevailing conditions of material and intellectual immaturity, necessarily be the work of force and administration—is not only the core of Soviet Marx- ism, but also that of the theoreticians of "educational dictator- ship" from Plato to Rousseau. It is easily ridiculed but hard to refute because it has the merit to acknowledge, without much hypocrisy, the conditions (material and intellectual) which serve to prevent genuine and intelligent self-determination.

Moreover, the argument debunks the repressive ideology of freedom, according to which human liberty can blossom forth in a life of toil, poverty, and stupidity. Indeed, society must first create the material prerequisites of freedom for all its members before it can be a free society; it must first create the wealth before being able to distribute it according to the freely developing needs of the individual; it must first enable its slaves to learn and see and think before they know what is going on and what they themselves can do to change it. And, to the degree to which the slaves have been preconditioned to exist as slaves and be content in that role, their liberation necessarily appears to come from without and from above. They must be "forced to be free," to "see objects as they are, and sometimes as they ought to appear," they must be shown the "good road" they are in search of.
https://fswg.files.wordpress.com/201...intros-ch2.pdf

“…it must first create the wealth before being able to distribute it according to the freely developing needs of the individual…”

That really says it all, doesn’t it?
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Old 03-14-2023, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Life goes on. Regional wars? Mass starvation? Declining life expectancy? Declining populations. Cultural/racial warfare. Genocide? Reversal of human rights?

LOL, are you serious? Sad thing is, I think the answer is yes. SMH.
Cats and dogs living together.
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Old 03-14-2023, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Yakima yes, an apartment!
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If America collapses, what happens to the rest of the world? (You're welcome for our service, labor and money world, btw).

Suddenly the sheriff is gone. The one entity that forced humans to behave.
No free money, but we got weapons dealers aplenty. The UN & NATO are then eliminated. Any peace between Israel and other me countries will be gone also.
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Old 03-14-2023, 12:41 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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Starvation for half the people on the planet in just a few weeks, and warfare that will kill a billion more. No money. There are websites that run war games simulators on this subject. You can’t believe the eco-devastation, loss of wild and pet animals, and every country would cease to exist replaced by marauders, gangs, and a blood lust of those who have any real control over weapons of mass destruction. WW3.
I can't make up my mind if this is a p*ss take post or not!
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Old 03-14-2023, 12:46 PM
 
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If America collapses, what happens to the rest of the world? (You're welcome for our service, labor and money world, btw).

Suddenly the sheriff is gone. The one entity that forced humans to behave.

Anarchy?
Riots?
Tribalism?
Death and disparage?
What a strange fantasy to seek comfort in.
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Old 03-14-2023, 01:03 PM
 
Location: USA
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We saw what happened in the world in 08 when our market when down. Their's followed. It would happen even worse with our collapse.
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Old 03-14-2023, 01:10 PM
 
Location: USA
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America. The last best hope of the world. The country where people are allowed to have a trial by jury.

If America goes under, the rest of the world will be in big trouble. Rogues, dictators, will take over most all the world. They can call themselves communists, marxists, fascists, doesn't matter. A snake is a snake.

You may disagree with me and frankly, I don't care. If America collapses, I expect all sorts of uprisings everywhere. Aggression like we've seen with Russia. I have been in this world long enough to read and hear about war history. About the only thing keeping it from happening is the good old US of A. God Bless America!
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