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Old 06-02-2023, 01:52 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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He's just another politician. We'll just get the same old tired results. Got to start venturing out of that broken box.
That would make too much sense. Better to just keep doing the same thing and expect different results.
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Old 06-02-2023, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Spain
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Remember when the stock market in Obama's final 2 years was flatlined
When you say things that are so easily proven false by data, do you actually believe it yourself or just hope you don't get caught?

Jan 19, 2015 S&P500 = 2,019
Jan 19, 2017 S&P500 = 2,272

For the math challenged, that would be a 12.5% gain, something nobody in their right mind would describe as flatlined.

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You're obviously not looking at actual data when making these faulty claims.
Irony.
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Old 06-02-2023, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Spain
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I think Trump as president, was able to get things done
Yes, exactly!

The economy grew by 4% per year just like he promised.
The AMT has been repealed, as he promised.
The carried interest loophole is no more.
There is no more Obamacare, we are instead enjoying his amazing healthcare plan.
There is no more federal deficit, he was able to rein in government spending.
The swamp has been drained, no more cronyism or nasty politics exist and term limits have been put in place.
We are sitting safely behind a beautiful border wall, paid for by Mexico.
The Keystone XL project was approved and we are gaining economic benefit from it.
The Dept of Education has been greatly scaled back.

One could go on and on, but we should of course close here with his promise to end birthright citizenship, because he's already making that one again and the same gullible suckers are lapping it up a second time.
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Old 06-02-2023, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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DeSantis? Mr white boots who eats pudding with his fingers and picks a fight with Mickey Mouse costing his state jobs and money? The same one who is pissing off women with his 6 week abortion ban? I don't think team normal in America will vote for him. That and he is just not likeable. Mr. MAGA I'm just like Trump only younger. No thanks.

It's obvious he's trying to out Trump Trump to win his base, but that is just not electable in a general election.

DeSantis blew it when he attacked Disney. He could have had a chance if he would have found a different path but this MAGA losing strategy. Why elect DeSantis when you have that Trump appeal to a small base?

This mentality will give us another 4 years of Biden. Please, I'm begging you. Find someone younger and normal to run in 2024. Elect Trump in the primary and you've already blown it.

This support for a criminal? Please toss Trump to the curb where he belongs. He and Biden are both too old.
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Old 06-02-2023, 03:17 PM
 
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Bad news for DeSantis:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...probe-00099892

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Half of Republicans oppose book bans

51 percent of Republicans oppose state lawmakers passing laws to ban certain books and remove them from classrooms and libraries, including 31 percent who said they strongly oppose it.

About a third of Republican respondents said they support state lawmakers passing laws on books bans
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Old 06-02-2023, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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If DeSantis spent more time talking about fiscal issues and economics, I think I would like him a lot more.
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Old 06-03-2023, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I loved Trump when he got elected. He got one term and had his fun. He was a good president, not a great one. All things considered, I just LIKE him now. I don't believe 2020 was stolen from him. I wasn't expecting Republicans to lose Michigan or Pennsylvania, but fair's fair.
We'll never know since fraud is very difficult to detect and because nearly all the evidence was destroyed.

Trump was acceptable only because the alternative was Billary.

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I know these are confusing times, but we cannot risk splitting the vote.
Oh, yes we can.

The gutless spineless amoebic Republican Party can throw Trump under the bus and refuse to recognize him as a Republican candidate and refuse to give him campaign money.

If Trump wants to run, he can run on his own dime as an Independent.

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Otherwise, Biden wins and this country cannot afford another term of that.
Why not?

It would only push the US that much closer to a civil war where the Liberals are crushed forever.

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And now he is talking about ending birthright citizenship, which goes against the Constitution.
No, it does not, but I expect as much from low-information voters.

The Constitution is silent on the issue of citizenship and you cannot prove otherwise.

Birth-right citizenship is a Left-Wing Liberal concoction. It does not exist.

To understand the meaning of anything in the Constitution, one need only read the meeting minutes of the various committees that drafted sections of the Constitution, and their private diaries and journals, and the letters they wrote to other committee members and to members of the different committees.

To understand the meaning of anything in the Bill of Rights, one need only consult the meeting minutes of the 13 State-level committees, their personal diaries and journals, the letters they wrote to other committee members, and the legislative history in the State legislatures.

To understand the meaning of anything in any Amendment post-Bill of Rights, one need only review the legislative history in the US Congress.

Thus, to understand the 14th Amendment, one need only consult with the Congressional legislative history.

The 14th Amendment bound all of the States to the Due Process Clause in the 5th Amendment.

It did not bind the States to other clauses in the 5th Amendment, nor did it bind the States to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th, or 8th Amendments.

Only someone totally bereft of intelligence could not conceive the possibility that many would claim that the Due Process Clause did not apply to the newly freed Slaves because they were not citizens.

Congress contemplated using the phrase "black Slave" (as it appears in the texts) instead of "person" but the issue of members of the 560-odd aboriginal nations came up.

In order to guarantee and ensure that the Due Process Clause of the 5th Amendment applied to everyone, meaning both the newly freed Slaves and members of aboriginal nations in the US, the word "person" was chosen.

It is crystal clear for the meaning, language, and intent of Congress that the 14th Amendment applies only to the newly freed Slaves and members of the various aboriginal nations and to no others.

To suggest that the 14th Amendment was intended to protect people who violated US laws and illegally immigrated to the US a century later is absurd, baseless, and without merit.

Furthermore, it is a well-established legal doctrine that no one can ever benefit from an illegal act. That is 800 year-old English Common Law repeatedly reinforced by the US Supreme Court.

Accordingly, a person born to illegal immigrants in the US cannot be a US citizen because the parents were not lawfully and legally situated, nor did they have "clean hands" and to allow people to profit or benefit as a result constitutes an absurd result, and the US Supreme Court has repeatedly maintained that no law nor contract nor action can ever be interpreted in such a way as produce an absurd result.
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