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Old 06-03-2008, 08:22 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Originally Posted by mimimomx3 View Post
If you think that the planet is overpopulated, by definition, you are saying that there are too many people. The logical solutions to overpopulation include:

1) limiting births
2) encouraging deaths

Who will we limit who will be born and who will we encourage to die? Who is the decider? I think encouraging those who believe the world is overpopulated to kill themselves may meet with some resistance but I wonder if those folks volunteer to remain childless?
I'm one of them, no plans ever to have children. So I guess that gives me free reign to push home the problem of overpopulation, thanks!
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:23 PM
 
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Now, from what I can read, this was not a negative post. They simply stated the obvious: the planet is overpopulated. They also mentioned owing it to children to not leave a planet in chaos.....hmmmm, now how, after reading this & interpreting it, did you come to the irrational conclusion that they should go & kill themself? Personally, I think that is offensive, insulting & reprehensible. Much worse than me saying you have a MOD CUT.
I think you are missing the point. If someone claims that the planet is over-populated, then they believe there is a number of people above some limit. If they truly believe that, then they should reduce that overage by removing themselves from that over-amount. If they do not, then they, by implication, believe someone else is part of that overage and thus they feel a superiority to that person. I do not think they should kill themselves, they themselves are either not truthful or they believe someone else should die in their stead.

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Old 06-03-2008, 08:24 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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I think you are missing the point. If someone claims that the planet is over-populated, then they believe there is a number of people above some limit. If they truly believe that, then they should reduce that overage by removing themselves from that over-amount. If they do not, then they, by implication, believe someone else is part of that overage and thus they feel a superiority to that person. I do not think they should kill themselves, they themselves are either not truthful or they believe someone else should die in their stead.
I'm missing your point because the point you're trying to make is absurd.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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I didn't realize 'overpopulation' was the subject here; but then again, what do I know?
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:25 PM
 
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I'm one of them, no plans ever to have children. So I guess that gives me free reign to push home the problem of overpopulation, thanks!
You still do not have the right to dictate to others what they can do with respect to their progeny. Otherwise, you would seem to claim a superiority to someone else. Are you the King?
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:28 PM
 
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I didn't realize 'overpopulation' was the subject here; but then again, what do I know?
It is tangentially related since the theory of human caused global warming involves humans and whether there is an over abundance of humans on this Earth.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:41 PM
 
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I think you are missing the point. If someone claims that the planet is over-populated, then they believe there is a number of people above some limit. If they truly believe that, then they should reduce that overage by removing themselves from that over-amount. If they do not, then they, by implication, believe someone else is part of that overage and thus they feel a superiority to that person. I do not think they should kill themselves, they themselves are either not truthful or they believe someone else should die in their stead.
Yes, he is missing the point completely...and probably always will.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:33 PM
 
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What do you mean by "the world ... has poorly distributed resources" ?
Educational, economic, natural, etc. etc. etc.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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I don't know if the world is overpopulated or just has poorly distributed resources but I think one can make the claim that the world is overpopulated without killing oneself while remaining philosophically consistent as long as the person making the claim isn't calling on others to kill themselves, either. A person with 12 kids complaining about world overpopulation might be a little hypocritical, on the other hand.
Thank you, but comments that are not constructive or thoughtful in any way may not deserve the courtesy of a response. They just point to the quality of mind of those who make them, and the fact that logic and reason are probably not frequent visitors there.

Oh, we also do not have children. There are more than enough people on this planet.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:47 PM
 
Location: USA
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Given that Anthropogenic (Human Caused) Carbon Dioxide Emissions account for a mere 4% of the total, that the average surface temperature has increased a mere 0.4 to 0.8 degrees C in the last 100+ years, and that this temperature increase cannot be conclusively linked to increased carbon dioxide emissions, do you think that the draconian Senate Bill

GovTrack: S. 2191: Text of Legislation

is in any way warranted?

Don't you get it? The Senate bill is designed to severely damage the US economy and favor special interest groups, by causing energy prices (gasoline, heating oil for homes, diesel, electricity, etc) to soar. Speculators and energy companies will make billions more, the government will get billions in taxes, the American people and American economy will be in shambles.

Check out the latest analysis:

Institute for Energy Research » The Price of Warner-Lieberman

This bill MUST die or the economic future of the United States will be in serious trouble.
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