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Old 11-13-2023, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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A poll by the research institute Echelon Insights of 1,029 likely voters, conducted between October 23-26, found that 72 percent of those asked would not be willing to volunteer to serve in the armed forces were America to enter a major conflict, compared with 21 percent who would. The remainder were unsure. The poll was conducted after Hamas led an unprecedented militant attack on Israel on October 7.
https://www.newsweek.com/american-mi...apathy-1842449

It seems that people are losing confidence and faith. People are just extraordinarily demoralized right now. I do not blame them. America, in its current form, is not worth caring about, let alone fighting or dying for. It is over. A nation is only as strong as the loyalty and sacrifice of its people. America as we know it will be completely finished very shortly, certainly within this decade.

 
Old 11-13-2023, 01:09 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I would have fought for it back the way it was in my childhood and before. But there is no way I'm going to fight for Biden and his cabal of loony communists now. Hard pass. The idiot is turning us into the Roman Empire minus about ten thousand points. Don't bother wondering why I say that unless you've read the details of the Roman Republic morphing to the Roman Empire and what happened after that.
 
Old 11-13-2023, 01:10 PM
 
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Americans don't want to fight for their country anymore

The Peace N Lovin' Liberals want to fight for Ukraine though. Heck they'll even fly their flag.

LOL
 
Old 11-13-2023, 01:13 PM
 
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Too many wars revolved around National building, and fighting in deserts or jungles with no clear objective or mission. Also, a very cavalier attitude by Presidents and Congress when it comes to putting American Troops in harm's way as if we are sending robots and drones only to warzones across the world.

If the USA was attacked and there was a clear Nation threat that was easy to understand then you would see support rise through the roof from Liberals and Conservatives. But if you are talking about another Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, on and on and on, then don't expect that number to rise much.

Even the hardcore Right-Wing Neocons have thinned out and Republicans are questioning the lives lost and money spent on these "Forever Wars". Millennials and Gen-Z have grown up in households of all political types listening to their parents talk about the last 50+ years of wars, lives lost, and money spent, and none of that conversation was positive outside the "We support the troops".

Last edited by Daryl_G; 11-13-2023 at 01:54 PM..
 
Old 11-13-2023, 01:13 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Originally Posted by SAN_Man View Post
Americans don't want to fight for their country anymore

The Peace N Lovin' Liberals want to fight for Ukraine though. Heck they'll even fly their flag.

LOL
Might be a good way to get rid of lefties... send them on over to fight for Ukraine rather than putting silly little icons on their social media pages.
 
Old 11-13-2023, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
I would have fought for it back the way it was in my childhood and before. But there is no way I'm going to fight for Biden and his cabal of loony communists now. Hard pass. The idiot is turning us into the Roman Empire minus about ten thousand points. Don't bother wondering why I say that unless you've read the details of the Roman Republic morphing to the Roman Empire and what happened after that.
2023 America is not remotely like the Ancient Roman Empire. It is far more similar to the USSR circa 1989, but even then those two countries are/were very different.
 
Old 11-13-2023, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Paradise
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Apathy and years of some elite telling us how bad it is here. Too much hatred, too much violence, too much negativity...

People prattle on and on about how much better it is somewhere else. But I notice not many of them are moving out.

Kids hear this and become demoralized about their own country. No wonder they don't feel it's worth fighting for.
 
Old 11-13-2023, 01:30 PM
 
Location: The City of Brotherly Love
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Why would I put my life on the line for this country? The US is not worth it, and my life is too valuable to potentially be killed over something as stupid as oil. The US sticks its nose where it doesn't belong too often for me to justify fighting for it.
 
Old 11-13-2023, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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America isn't "over". But nothing will change until the stupid political system is completely overhauled. The politicians will continue to gain and control, while our hands are tied. But we can't believe the lie that it's impossible to change it / correct it. The politicians - in both parties - want you to believe that lie, and give up and submit to their ways. We do have a way out, though no one is focused on it. We've got the stupid war of one party against the other taking up all our time and attention.

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Old 11-13-2023, 01:32 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The 20 million illegal aliens can fight for it. They get more from it than native-born Americans these days.
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