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Old 06-10-2008, 06:00 AM
 
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Sounds like more of the CFR and Trilateral Commission paranoid junk to me. I wonder what will happen when David Rockefeller passes away, the rumors should be interesting.
I think his head is scheduled to be hacked off and cryogenically preserved with timmothy leary, the rest of his ashes flown out to space to patch up the ozone layer. But that's only hearsay.
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Old 06-10-2008, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Because the two party system is compromise maximized. It makes perfect sense. Anyone who seriously considers getting involved in politics and fails to recognize that two parties is ideal is pretty goofy or sincerely trying to screw up elections.
Government apologist talk.


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And lots of fractured votes for no reason better than people being able to compromise down to two.
"fractured" votes?

Yeah, many other countries have more than 2 parties in parliament and running for high office.

What does 2 parties get us? Trillions in debt, massive bureaucracy and imminent bankruptcy.
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Old 06-10-2008, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I'm not a fan of the two party system we have, but every third party that starts up is a fairly radical one with dolts running for office. Those fringe parties are meaningless. I've never understood why their isn't a third party that's a true viable alternative.
Because Libertarians and Constitutionalists believe in limited government intervention. Anyone who believes these people are "radical" are just government apologists with no faith in the American people. UnAmerican establishment boys who should be immediately deported.

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But think about it. If we had 3 viable parties, we'd then have coalition governments, possibly even more "politics"... It could be a god-send or it could make things worse.
Look how additional parties work in other countries, and tell me if they have MORE politics than us.

I don't think you can get more "politics" than in the US.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Because Libertarians and Constitutionalists believe in limited government intervention. Anyone who believes these people are "radical" are just government apologists with no faith in the American people. UnAmerican establishment boys who should be immediately deported.



Look how additional parties work in other countries, and tell me if they have MORE politics than us.

I don't think you can get more "politics" than in the US.
That's a good point -- but our "politics" tend to be mostly posing and rhetoric, and rarely disastrous legislation or policy-making.

Gridlock is not, intrinsically, a bad thing. The two-party system always keeps it on the agenda.
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Old 06-10-2008, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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That's a good point -- but our "politics" tend to be mostly posing and rhetoric, and rarely disastrous legislation or policy-making.

Gridlock is not, intrinsically, a bad thing. The two-party system always keeps it on the agenda.
The two party system rung up 10T in debt collaboratively.

Gridlock sometimes works, problem is there was no gridlock.
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Old 06-10-2008, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The two party system rung up 10T in debt collaboratively.

Gridlock sometimes works, problem is there was no gridlock.
The alternative is a US-style Argentina or Italy, with thirty-five splinter groups and two new governments a year.

Only everybody has guns.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:08 PM
 
Location: At my computador
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Government apologist talk.
It's responsible pragmatist talk, actually... but if you want to vote for Nader, please do.


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"fractured" votes?

Yeah, many other countries have more than 2 parties in parliament and running for high office.
I can't help it they're morons.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:58 PM
 
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Third parties in the US tend to set their ambitions way too high. To get a viable political party going, you have to start at the VERY local level. School boards, city council seats, zoning boards, local judgeships, water commission - all the things that make up the "guts" of local governance.

Once that happens, the party should start contesting seats in the local statehouse, mayoralties, regional boards, state circuit and supreme courts, and so on.

Only then can a third party really start fielding viable candidates for national office. Otherwise, the candidates will just seem to be one-off wacky figures who suck in little more than protest votes.
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Old 06-11-2008, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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It's responsible pragmatist talk, actually... but if you want to vote for Nader, please do.
Oh yeah, government apologist AND revisionist

That must be some delicious kool-aid you're drinking.

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I can't help it they're morons.
Ah, I see. A consistent diet of playing the "lesser of two evils" shell game makes for a strong country.

Well, it DOES make a good recipe for bankrupting a nation. Something that both parties have done a marvelous job of hiding for the past 20 years.

...and maybe, just maybe, that's why the rest of the world is eating our lunch.
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Old 06-11-2008, 10:44 AM
 
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Everyone complains about the system but how many people even pay attention? How many people even know who there reps. are in congress? Do they keep up with what they are doing and how they are voting? Do they call and email there reps? The problem isn't congress or the two parties. The problem is most americans are lazy and lame. They don't take part in the process and educate themselves. They'd rather just whine and complain. Hey I got an idea!!!

Go to U.S. Senate and United States House of Representatives, 110th Congress, 2nd Session and find your reps. Then bookmark there sites and read there blogs, examine there voting records, and articles about the issues. CONTACT them, do something other than whine. This isn't aimed at anyone specific.
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