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If the truth is insulting, so be it. With the exception of Islam, Europe has become a secular and immoral society...end of story.
This is a very inaccurate statement. Europe is secular and Islam has become somewhat prevalent, but if you're going to say that Europe is an immoral society, then the United States is a hedonistic nightmare. Europe does much better in many areas than the U.S. The United States is also one of the most violent countries in the entire world.
I'm not sure America is obsessed with sex, but for certain many are sexually repressed regarding nakedness, how people dress act, and sex itself.... It's natural, part of loving that special someone, plus it's a lot of fun...
huh? yes it does....you can be secular AND immoral easily. christian society and immorality do not go hand in hand.
anyway, i kind of agree with the OP, although stopping to have sex completely, i dont know, i do agree it is for procreation, thats why God made it so pleasurable, so that we may have lots of children and create many human beings in the world, but maybe there are ways to have it where you dont have children everytime? then again, that would be sinning. but society has gotten sooooooooooo bad, they dont recognize haveing permiscuous sex as sinning. they use sex for EVERYTHING and ppl think that is all our lives are meant for. ummm, no?? whatever happened to romance? loving? sex is like, the LAST thing to worry about, thats like the last thing you should be thinking about. if you truly love someone, sex is not priority. if it is, then you dont really love that person, you just want them for sex and then you ditch them. thats how bad society, especially american society, has gotten. ppl act like americans are still stuck in that puritan mode. umm, hell no! america has been going down hill for quite some time, and now its just plain terrible place! they say its freedom to do what you want, but in america freedom to do horrible sexual things is permitted. thats just sad. the porn industry, commercial ads, magazines, movies, music, everything! its just not good. we should kind of press the retstart button on this countries sex drives and start not making it so important when there are 100000000 other things to do that are more important. not that sex is bad, but there is a time and place for it. but society has made it part of everyday life. no, its meant for a special time with a special someone, NOT to see halfnaked chicks and guys all around you. thats just sleazy and inapropriate. europeans have it terrible over there, its like thats all they care about. europe used to be alot more religious and honrable. now its just mostly sleazbags. thats just so sad.
I’m hoping that you’re very young.
The world population cannot take much more and be viable. The current food and fuel crisis will be followed by starvation and death. Our water is frequently non-potable.
You certainly seem to judge others quite a bit, isn’t that immoral? I think American xian culture is very immoral. It’s filled with the immorality of judgment and sanctimony.
You’re assigning blame for something that brings people joy, all without the use of a spelling and grammar check.
Remember, capitalization and sentence structure are your friends; they help you communicate with others.
Obviously, you’ve never been to Europe; your view is quite skewed.
I think religion is a curse and one of the worst things to ever happen to any culture.
Lets see, the basis of any abuse of a system starts with a personal willingness to bend those aspects for their own desires. That is, a secular (statement of "My morality is how I define it") is at the core of every single action in existence.
A religious one dictates a policy to live by. One can look at the religion and see what moral ideal it holds to and if a person is dedicated to that system, it can be expected that the person will attempt stay within the bounds of that system.
Now if that person violates a religious policy, they do so by inserting their own moralistic deviation. That is, their personal moral decision supersedes or is deviously rationalized in unison with that policy. That is why you see religion often used in history to commit extreme violations of its own doctrine.
So, as I said, at the core of every system, its success is dependent on each individuals willingness to hold to that system of belief.
A secular morality (admittedly created by the individual) requires no checks and balances to its system other than what the individual places on it. It can be changed as the individual sees fit though, for if they are the creator, can they not change or create as they see fit?
In the end, more evil has been created by the flexible morale grounds of a secularist than any religion. For those who have countered their own religious doctrines so diligently are secularist in the first place because they place their individual morality above that of their so called belief. That is, the religion is nothing more than a tool for abuse by a secularist wishing to fulfill their own personal stances on morality.
Lets see, the basis of any abuse of a system starts with a personal willingness to bend those aspects for their own desires. That is, a secular (statement of "My morality is how I define it") is at the core of every single action in existence.
A religious one dictates a policy to live by. One can look at the religion and see what moral ideal it holds to and if a person is dedicated to that system, it can be expected that the person will attempt stay within the bounds of that system.
Now if that person violates a religious policy, they do so by inserting their own moralistic deviation. That is, their personal moral decision supersedes or is deviously rationalized in unison with that policy. That is why you see religion often used in history to commit extreme violations of its own doctrine.
So, as I said, at the core of every system, its success is dependent on each individuals willingness to hold to that system of belief.
A secular morality (admittedly created by the individual) requires no checks and balances to its system other than what the individual places on it. It can be changed as the individual sees fit though, for if they are the creator, can they not change or create as they see fit?
In the end, more evil has been created by the flexible morale grounds of a secularist than any religion. For those who have countered their own religious doctrines so diligently are secularist in the first place because they place their individual morality above that of their so called belief. That is, the religion is nothing more than a tool for abuse by a secularist wishing to fulfill their own personal stances on morality.
You are so mistaken.... Remember your religious morals are diametrically opposed to thousands of other religious morals. What make you think the morals you have (not even yours, but dictated by whatever dogma you follow) are correct? Not only that but religious morals are inflexible and do not adjust to changes in society. They are so outdated now it's pathetic...Secular morals are not chosen by any individual, but by society as a whole.
Now if that person violates a religious policy, they do so by inserting their own moralistic deviation. That is, their personal moral decision supersedes or is deviously rationalized in unison with that policy. That is why you see religion often used in history to commit extreme violations of its own doctrine.
So, as I said, at the core of every system, its success is dependent on each individuals willingness to hold to that system of belief.
A secular morality (admittedly created by the individual) requires no checks and balances to its system other than what the individual places on it. It can be changed as the individual sees fit though, for if they are the creator, can they not change or create as they see fit?
In the end, more evil has been created by the flexible morale grounds of a secularist than any religion. For those who have countered their own religious doctrines so diligently are secularist in the first place because they place their individual morality above that of their so called belief. That is, the religion is nothing more than a tool for abuse by a secularist wishing to fulfill their own personal stances on morality.
Thou shalt not kill... any xians go to war?
Thou shalt not steal... how many xians are in jail?
Thou shalt not commit adultery? Look at the Bush administration and the neo-cons. Larry Craig, anyone? How about the TV evangelists?
From: Prison Incarceration and Religious Preference Look about 1/4 way down the page for:
Catholic 29,267 31.432%
Protestant 26,162 28.097%
None/Atheist/Unknown 18,537 19.908%
Muslim 5,435 5.837%
American Indian 2,408 2.586%
Nation of Islam 1,734 1.862%
Rastafarian 1,485 1.595%
Jewish 1,325 1.423%
Church of Christ 1,303 1.399%
Pentecostal 1,093 1.174%
Moorish 1,066 1.145%
Buddhist 882 0.947%
Jehovah's Witnesses 665 0.714%
Adventist 621 0.667%
Eastern Orthodox 375 0.403%
Latter-day Saints 298 0.320%
Scientology 190 0.204%
Hindu 119 0.128%
Santeria 117 0.126%
Sikh 14 0.015%
Baha'i 9 0.010%
ISKCON 7 0.008%
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Total 93,112 100.000%
In **1997**, the Federal Bureau of Prisons released the professed religious adherence rate of those in the U.S. Federal Prison system.
Christians make up about 80% of the American population AND prison population.
However, Atheists make up about 8% of the American population but only 0.2% of the prison population.
On the flip side, only about 1-3% of Americans are Muslim, but 7.2% of inmates are Muslim.
Do you believe these statistics are more related to religion and moral values OR to poverty? Why?
Can you cite material to back up your opinion?
Atheists, are, by in large, highly educated and have moderate to high incomes.
Christians span the entire strata from poor to wealthy.
Studies of incarcerated Muslims in Ohio say that Muslim inmates are largely African American males and convert AFTER incarceration. 90% of African Americans living at least a year in poverty during their lives.
You are so mistaken.... Remember your religious morals are diametrically opposed to thousands of other religious morals. What make you think the morals you have (not even yours, but dictated by whatever dogma you follow) are correct? Not only that but religious morals are inflexible and do not adjust to changes in society. They are so outdated now it's pathetic...Secular morals are not chosen by any individual, but by society as a whole.
I didn't speak of any religion specifically, though you attempted to place me within one of your own choosing. I spoke generically in terms of most religions. While there may be some religions that are specifically hell bent on others destruction, many are not and proclaim a peaceful and well designed meaning.
Also, what is a Societies morales if not by individuals banning together to agree with each other, for good or evil. I think you need to think a bit more on this.
I didn't speak of any religion specifically, though you attempted to place me within one of your own choosing. I spoke generically in terms of most religions. While there may be some religions that are specifically hell bent on others destruction, many are not and proclaim a peaceful and well designed meaning.
Also, what is a Societies morales if not by individuals banning together to agree with each other, for good or evil. I think you need to think a bit more on this.
Yes, it's called democracy...You do have a secular government do you not?
Yes, it's called democracy...You do have a secular government do you not?
We were not speaking of governments. We were speaking of morality and how it is obtained and determined through various systems. More specifically I was speaking of secular morality (that which is defined by the individual) and religious based ones which are defined as a standard of divinity to which the core aspects of their design are above that of the common person.
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