Oklahoma Declares Sovereinty (government, program, state, federal)

[KevK]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

So the federal government can trample all over the US Constitution all it wants because it is "THE" power? I'll give you a little lesson, the US Government is made up of these United States. If the state of Oklahoma does nothing more than point out that the federal government is overstepping it's bounds and the feds try and use force on an entire state, there will be a lot of reckoning.

But, we're moving way to far forward in this scenario. Lets see how things play out in the long run. My point is that this is merely the beginning. At least I think so.


It should be an interesting test of your "feds rule all" theory whether it be for good or bad.

What is really funny to me is that the conservative types will argue that Oklahoma should be able to stop an INTERSTATE highway from being built to carry COMMERCE between states and between Mexico, the USA and Canada BUT they all applauded when the Supreme Court said that the Federal government can regulate marijuana that is planted, grown, packaged and sold completely within the confines of a single state (California). Seems to me that the conservatives need to re read the Constitution they claim to have so much affinity for.

[oz in SC]

Good for Oklahoma.
It is quite sad to see so many who are ignorant of how the USA is supposed to work.

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

Whether it's symbolic or they really intend to stand up is left to see. I think there is a real sea change happening in this country; people are starting to get fed up with the fed. Progress? Please, the NAFTA superhighway is not progress.

Synopsis, then how can you explain the results of this past campaign cycle, for either party?

It seems to me that the country is actually moving the opposite direction from your sentiments.

[Tin Knocker]

Seems a sign of the times. Montana has expressed similar sentiments regarding gun rights.

Federal is supreme.

What a joke. The people are supreme in this country & if the people of OK want to tell the feds to **** off they sure can in this instance. This is not about racism or anti govt plots. Its about the feds overstepping its bounds & screwing up EVERY step of the way.

The Federal govt in reality is very limited in what it can shove down peoples throats & has no power to force a state to let a road be built or anything else.

As far as federal bucks for education & roads & other things I think its a shame the states need it & I think that if they were to fund their own infrastructure in those regards they could do a much better job than some idiot in Washington. After all, what really happens is they take our money, after funding unneeded bureaucracies & paying hundreds of unneeded employees they give us some back, as long as we toe the line.

I say good for OK!

[ElkHunter]

Originally Posted by evilnewbie

I think it was a fake resolution... it seems to be coming from a website that advocates states rights and not from the state government itself... oh well....

I agree. How many legal documents have you seen say, "On this day, Today," And not a single Date on the document.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

Synopsis, then how can you explain the results of this past campaign cycle, for either party?

It seems to me that the country is actually moving the opposite direction from your sentiments.

New, this is not a Democrat or Republican issue. I'm a conservative and I wouldn't vote for McCain or hardly any other Republican. Party lines do not matter to me; this is a Constitutional issue. Why should it be branded Republican or Democrat when it comes to the issue of the Constitution and our rights?

The fact is there are a lot of state entities these days that are doing things contrary to what the feds want. Immigration is one.

Can one honestly say that the federal government has not grown out of control, and inciting actions that are against the best interests of the country?

For an entire state legislature to publish a document such as this has to indicate the "sea change" of which I speak. That is the brunt of my point.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by ElkHunter

I agree. How many legal documents have you seen say, "On this day, Today," And not a single Date on the document.

If you read the document, the date at the bottom says the following:

12/31/07

That would be December 31st of 2007 ElkHunter. And this is a real proposal. See below on the vote tally.

Oklahoma State House of Representatives - House Votes

[ElkHunter]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

If you read the document the date at the bottom says the following:

12/31/07

That would be December 31st of 2007 ElkHunter.

But in the text there is a line that says effect as of this date, today, yadda yadda yadda. There is no legal document that will do that without specifying the exact date, in the body.

[Ted_Foster]

Originally Posted by evilnewbie

I think it was a fake resolution... it seems to be coming from a website that advocates states rights and not from the state government itself... oh well....

Originally Posted by Synopsis

It is legitimate colleen. Right now it's in the (Oklahoma) Senate awaiting a second reading from them.

If you go to the following link and enter HJR1089 in the "Basic Search Form" you'll get the following:

Oklahoma Legislature Home Page

Thanks for the link LadyRobyn!

Citation Type Comment Eff. Date


Bill History:
Date Flags Chamber H Page S Page Text
2/4/2008 #ds H 201 First Reading
2/4/2008 #ds H 201 Authored by Representative Key
2/5/2008 #ds H 245 Second Reading referred to Rules
3/4/2008 #ds H 602 CR; Do Pass, amended by committee substitute Rules Committee
3/4/2008 #ds H 602 Coauthored by Representative(s) Dorman
3/13/2008 #ds H 900 General Order
3/13/2008 #ds H 900 Coauthored by Representative(s) Johnson (Dennis), Reynolds
3/13/2008 #ds H 900 Authored by Senator Brogdon (principal Senate author)
3/13/2008 #ds H 900 Third Reading, Measure passed: Ayes: 92 Nays: 3
3/13/2008 #ds H 900 Referred for engrossment
3/17/2008 #ds H 917 Engrossed, signed, to Senate
3/17/2008 #ds S 957 First Reading
3/25/2008 #ds S 979 Second Reading referred to Rules

The resolution is legitimate.

[Joe_Ryder]

According to the Oklahoma State House Of Representatives, it (HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1089) was submitted 12/31/07 and passed on 3/13/2008. Seems to be for real. I know nothing of Oklahoma's law or government nor the implications, if any beyond the symbolic, but this seems to be for real.
Oklahoma State House of Representatives - House Votes

Even if it's just a symbolic gesture I say Way To Go Oklahoma!