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Old 01-11-2007, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Come see our Cross.. it is very pretty. Just be careful.. the area is full of el banditos.
That is quite pretty... we have a giant statue of Father Junipero Serra, which literally points at highway 280 - http://3dparks.wr.usgs.gov/3Dbayarea/html/JuniperoSerra.htm (broken link)
http://www.molenda.us/photos/marin-h..._DSC1524-r.jpg

Not sure exactly what faith it represents (were Franciscans associated with Catholicism?), but the locals have always loved it! Though it has been the victim of a few Cal/Stanford rivalry pranks, but that's all in good fun I guess.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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I read something within the last couple of weeks that the ACLU is trying to make some school buses take a different and longer route because the current route has the buses going past a church and the ACLU says that the kids on the buses shouldn't be exposed to seeing a church on their way to/from school. I think that's pretty ridiculous and they are overstepping their bounds there.
That is a bit ludicrous. As I said on the other thread, I agree that the ACLU goes overboard sometimes... but I also mentioned how people ignore the good things they accomplish (see the post for more on that), and only know about the controversial & BIG cases.
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:08 PM
 
Location: on an island
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That is a bit ludicrous. As I said on the other thread, I agree that the ACLU goes overboard sometimes... but I also mentioned how people ignore the good things they accomplish (see the post for more on that), and only know about the controversial & BIG cases.
Twinkle Toes
I read somewhere that this was an urban legend.
There was also another story (declared false! )that the ACLU was trying to get rid of the headstone crosses at federal cemeteries.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Twinkle Toes
I read somewhere that this was an urban legend.
There was also another story (declared false! )that the ACLU was trying to get rid of the headstone crosses at federal cemeteries.
Type "ACLU" or any other issue in this search engine - http://www.snopes.com/ - and you can read about lots of urban legends... which should remind us not to believe everything we read on the internet (or hear through the "grapevine").
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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It's not "anti-god", it's just protecting the freedom of those who worship differently.
The ACLU is not interested in protecting all people who choose to worship differently.

One of their cases they introduced was to ban military chaplains from using the words "...in Jesus's name..." at any time; even in private at the request of a single soldier.

They say they're about protecting rights, but there's also some smoke and mirrors going on too.

Tell me this, by restricting how chaplains are allowed to pray in private, who are they protecting?

At the same time, muslim chaplain/clerics are allowed to talk about, invoke or whatever the prophet Mohammed or Allah.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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The ACLU is not interested in protecting all people who choose to worship differently.

One of their cases they introduced was to ban military chaplains from using the words "...in Jesus's name..." at any time; even in private at the request of a single soldier.

They say they're about protecting rights, but there's also some smoke and mirrors going on too.

Tell me this, by restricting how chaplains are allowed to pray in private, who are they protecting?

At the same time, muslim chaplain/clerics are allowed to talk about, invoke or whatever the prophet Mohammed or Allah.
I'm not sure this is the exact case you're referring to, but their stance on prayer in the military is mostly urban legend: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/marines.asp
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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I'm not sure this is the exact case you're referring to, but their stance on prayer in the military is mostly urban legend: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/marines.asp
Perhaps that's true, but maybe it's not.
I actually heard this on a radio program by the A.C.L.J. (American Center for Law and Justice).
Half their cases seem to involve battling the ACLU usually.

I also heard of an interview with the ACLU founder before he died and he told about how it was a secret communist organization with the intention to use the Constitution "against itself", forcing change on America closer to what this guy thought might be utopian.

(It was started in the 50's or 60's so they had to keep the communist part secret, obviously )

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Old 01-11-2007, 01:40 PM
 
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Perhaps that's true, but maybe it's not.
I actually heard this on a radio program by the ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice).
Half their cases seem to involve battling the ACLU usually.

I also heard of an interview with the ACLU founder before he died and he told about how it was a secret communist organization with the intention to use the Constitution "against itself", forcing change on America closer to what this guy thought might be utopian.
No, Jay was to angry for this too not be true. I don't think Jay goes around spouting off about untrue facts he has his reputation to protect. The ACLJ Thank God we have them. I followed that case and it was amazing the rights others have and Chaplain's can't say Jesus.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:42 PM
 
Location: SF, CA
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ACLU = American Taliban

The ACLU needs to be exposed for what it REALLY is. It is not an organization devoted to civil rights. It is not a group "promoting and protecting" our first amendment. It's an organization that is abusing the free exercise of religion. It cheapens our Constitution. They bully and intimidate us ordinary Americans who simply want to exercise our civil rights.

It's a hate group ~ always has been. Remember that it was founded by radicals like Roger Baldwin (he was an avid admirer of Soviet Socialism). You can google his name and see this quote from him regarding the ACLU's image: "Do steer away from making it (the ACLU) look like a socialist enterprise. We want to look like patriots in every thing we do. We want to get a lot of flags, talk a good deal about the Constitution and what our forefathers wanted to make of the country and show we are really the folks that stand by the spirit of our institutions."

Nice, really nice Mr. Baldwin...

I think our forefathers would be appalled at the so-called "work" of the ACLU.

**Where CA borders Nevada, the ACLU tried to remove a cross that had been erected in the late 30's by some veterans. They lost. The cross still stands and it's on land designated as a national park. Oh sure, the ACLU appealed but the 9th circut court upheld the original decision. But guess who paid the ACLU's fees?? Yes, the taxpayers. They always win even when they lose because we, the taxpayers, pay for their "services" everytime they file a case....win or lose. Sickening....
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Near Charlotte, NC
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Roger Baldwin? Any relation to Alec Baldwin (that would explain much)?
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