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View Poll Results: Federal Income Tax
Get rid of the Income Tax (Repeal 16th Amendment) replace it with nothing 24 80.00%
Keep it the same 5 16.67%
Increase the Income tax levels on everyone 1 3.33%
Give all you money to the Government and let them manage it. 0 0%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-24-2008, 09:53 AM
 
Location: PA
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The Federal Income tax limits the rights of economic freedom of the individual and the people. If the government has more money they abuse the power and are corrupted by lobbyist and corporations to support idealogy not supported by the people and the constitution.
Some would like the government to do more. What would you do with the federal income tax.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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The government has clearly shown they are an inept bureaucracy. The more money it takes, the larger it grows, the more power it wields over the citizens until it is no longer a servant government accountable to the people.

It is not just about taxation, it is about the mentality that the government has a role in EVERYTHING. There are things such as defense that the government has a role in, but healthcare, scientific studies, and the like are best left to the private sector. Once the diseased socialist-thinking is removed from Washington, the budget can be cut, the taxes removed...and citizens freer to realize their economic prosperity.

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Old 06-24-2008, 11:20 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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The Federal Income tax limits the rights of economic freedom of the individual and the people. If the government has more money they abuse the power and are corrupted by lobbyist and corporations to support idealogy not supported by the people and the constitution.
Some would like the government to do more. What would you do with the federal income tax.
What about replacing it with a national sales tax? I've heard this idea thrown around, I think it was part of Huckabee's plan, maybe even Ron Paul?
I think taxing on consuming rather than earning is probably a good principle, but not sure how it would work in practice.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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I like the national sales tax idea as well.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Fair Tax had an extensive discussion thread, I suggest folks take a look at it if interested in the proposal. Lots of imbedded taxes though on things like rent and mortgage interest payments.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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What about replacing it with a national sales tax? I've heard this idea thrown around, I think it was part of Huckabee's plan, maybe even Ron Paul?
I think taxing on consuming rather than earning is probably a good principle, but not sure how it would work in practice.
I would normally agree, but the gobbermint would just tack on an income tax ALONG with the sales tax, citing that Europe uses VAT and income taxes.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:34 PM
 
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The Federal Income tax limits the rights of economic freedom of the individual and the people. If the government has more money they abuse the power and are corrupted by lobbyist and corporations to support idealogy not supported by the people and the constitution.
Some would like the government to do more. What would you do with the federal income tax.
I don't think this poll is fair. I agree that abuses of tax dollars should end, lobbyists should be banned, and that multiple levels of taxation have been the equivalent of 60% taxation. (IE income tax, property tax, dog tax, road tax addendums, municipal tax, sales tax, special taxes on 'luxuries' like telephones or gas or a hotel when you're stranded.)

Taxes need to be transparent, be applied to the things that we agreed upon, and not shuffled around in fancy shell games. Taxation needs to be reduced whenever practicable, and modest growth vs credit card mentality be the norm. Taxation powers should be limited, and source point charges established to allow projects to maintain themselves once the seed money of infrastructure is spent.

The reason why I cannot support libertarians wholesale, although I am in agreement with much of what they say, is because they represent things in an all/nothing solutions. It obliges me to say no, because taxation is currently neccessary to keep the wheels of civilization turning. We need to re invent our civilization using libertarian modeling, but gradually over time implement it. To have ron paul walk in the door and rip the rug out from everything we know would be catastrophic to economy and those who built their existence around what they could traditionally depend upon from govt.

I like ron paul, I think he's got more character than most politicians, he's exceptionally intelligent, and shows great insight. I have serious doubts that he can see the consequences of his policies implemented too quickly. He scares lots of people with the sound bytes they see. I think better communications are in order to display fully thought out policy. Just some advice for next election strategy.

The better 3rd parties like libertarians and constitutionalists can use phase in language, the more likely they will garner wider support throughout the population across the aisles. I think many people see our country floundering and want real solutions. The market is there, now find a way to deliver. Radical change might be called for, but if you force it too quickly, it creates chaos.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:43 PM
 
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What about replacing it with a national sales tax? I've heard this idea thrown around, I think it was part of Huckabee's plan, maybe even Ron Paul?
I think taxing on consuming rather than earning is probably a good principle, but not sure how it would work in practice.
I would love to see a consumption tax. That is controllable by the individual and does not destroy capital formation.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:44 PM
 
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2 words.. Fair Tax.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:50 PM
 
Location: PA
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What about replacing it with a national sales tax? I've heard this idea thrown around, I think it was part of Huckabee's plan, maybe even Ron Paul?
I think taxing on consuming rather than earning is probably a good principle, but not sure how it would work in practice.

Nope national sales tax sucks too, lets just have them balance and budget and look at something other then a sales taxes. Maybe tax the imports.
But they have enough revenve they just need to stop defending half of europe and japan for starters.
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