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Old 01-15-2007, 09:52 AM
 
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This war has nothing to do with bombs or bullets so the talk of military and nukes is irrelavent. The only way we would get into a war with China is if they invade Taiwan.
Yes, the talks of bombs is crazy. But, we still wouldn't go to war if they invaded Tiawan. We used to have a pact with Tiawan, but our stance has been shifting since this administration came to office. Even Colin Powell was talking about the US supporting a 'unified China'. That doesn't sound like it's in Taiwan's interest, does it? Our administration is already bowing down to the pressure from Beijing, and we can't do anything about it. Somebody was right when they said to send your kids to Mandarin class, it's going to be much more relevant in their lifetime.
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Old 01-15-2007, 10:07 AM
 
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Yes, the talks of bombs is crazy. But, we still wouldn't go to war if they invaded Tiawan. We used to have a pact with Tiawan, but our stance has been shifting since this administration came to office. Even Colin Powell was talking about the US supporting a 'unified China'. That doesn't sound like it's in Taiwan's interest, does it? Our administration is already bowing down to the pressure from Beijing, and we can't do anything about it. Somebody was right when they said to send your kids to Mandarin class, it's going to be much more relevant in their lifetime.
Good point and I think you are right, we won't defend Taiwan. Which is sad, used to be our word to another country, a treaty, "we will defend you" meant something. Now it's simply "don't get us into another Vietnam or Iraq".

China's problem, even more than ours, is North Korea. On one hand they have to keep that madman from going crazy and starting a regional, possibly nuclear war, on the other hand they have to keep North Korea from collapsing and seeing 50 million starving Koreans crossing the Yalu river.
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Old 01-16-2007, 02:21 PM
 
Location: 78218
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Default China

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...-science_x.htm

Our debt to China is not our only problem.

Did you guys think we would be the only Empire to defy history by not falling.

Polish up on your Mandarin.
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Old 01-16-2007, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Coachella Valley, California
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Probably Mexico. They are taking over our country and they never, ever have to lift a weapon. We're just letting them take over because apparently we are too stupid to do anything about it.
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Old 01-16-2007, 04:37 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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Actually the goal of the Chinese is to achieve regional hegemony, that requires the reconquest of Taiwan, the subjection of Japan, neither of which will happen until the USN is destroyed. Do a little research on the number of anti ship missiles the Chinese have deployed, then take a look at the number of very quiet Diesel Electric subs they have, then take a good look at USN anti sub exercises. The subs tend to take out the carriers.

The goal of the Chinese is not to conquer or destroy the US, but to remove it as a regional power. If the Japanese get to the point where they feel they are better off allied with the Chinese than the Americans, expect them to jump ship.

In the conflict with the Chinese and the islamic resurgence our best ally will be India (a democracy), the Bush administration, as corrupt and inept as it is does recognize this.
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Old 01-20-2007, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Cookeville Tn.
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A good discussion so far. I think it is the goal of both, through the downfall of our economy. From the inside by Mexico and the outside by China.
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Old 01-21-2007, 10:39 AM
 
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I just wanted to vote "China".
I see it as an "inside" job though. Been shopping lately?

Wondering if anyone else is "putting their money where ther mouth is" and trying to boycott goods made in China?

Two things that stumped me:

1.Christmas lights! Tried three stores and no dice.
2.Running shoes (and I go through about 10 pairs per year).
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Old 01-21-2007, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Cookeville Tn.
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It is very hard to buy anything in the US that is not made in China. Don't know how it got so far out of hand. Guess we were all asleep for a few years. And let the government sell us out. When nafta started we should have told all the big companies, you move offshore you sell your goods offshore. Not allow any of the junk sold in this country.
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Old 01-21-2007, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Missouri
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Mexico is a threat culturally only in the sense that our industry and business elites save money employing them and not offering them benefits. They also have taxes taken for SSN $ which help offset the costs to the system so that the government has a freer hand in spending far more than it earns on wars and pork. It's not Americans who are selling us out, it's our government in bed with corporate elites who put their own private profits ahead of the country...and stupid us...we keep voting them (both Democrat and Republican) back into office. They are draining our economy by waging wars having nothing to do with American security and keeping the borders wide open to allow anyone who cares to to walk right in, while clamping down at official ports of entry like airports and shipping ports.
I agree with Greatbasinguide on China. It's not able to destroy the U.S.A. or even in the same league within the foreseeable future. And, it's goal is to neutralize Japan, reincorporate Taiwan, and be the dominate player in Asia to control resources. China has many problems that no one hears about which are actually nation-threatening for them. The Gobi Desert has encroached within 100 miles of Beijing and the water supplies of 300,000,000 Chinese are in danger. Water pollution is so severe in China that 1/3 of the native species are extinct now and 2/3 of Chinese rivers, lakes, and waterways are dangerous to humans to be exposed to. They have stripped their country to the point that vast amounts of it are becoming uninhabitable. China has a lot of problems internally with social mobility and wealth distribution as well. It has no desire to go to war with the U.S.A., but it will do what it can to dominate Asia I'm convinced, and the U.S. Navy is a hindrance to that. So is a reawakened Japanese military identity independently powerful on its own. Hence the Chinese naval buildup.
Mexico is a corrupt society as it's always been where the rich depend on the poor receiving their $ from illegals sending American dollars back from the U.S. It's to their advantage (the Mexican rich/elites) to keep illegal migration headed north to help vent the pressure caused by extreme social inequity that benefits the Mexican elites. They will do nothing to stem the flow until the U.S. closes the gates when they'd be forced to. Our government, in effect, supports the suppression of the Mexican people by giving the Mexican elite a safety valve in the form of unfettered illegal migration allowed across the border and employed without penalty by American business. The U.S. government benefits from the illegals as well. The American people and the Mexican people do not.
It truly is an issue where the elites are bleeding the countries by working in unison while the American people lose standard of living and the Mexican people are kept in poverty.
Great situation huh?
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Old 01-21-2007, 12:29 PM
 
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Muslims are the biggest threat to the world than Mexico and China combined.
They call the one’s that strap on bombs and detonate in crowded areas radical Muslims, but no other Muslims ever condemn or are at all critical of their actions.
This is a major problem and a reason for every non-Muslim to be concerned.

If a group calling themselves Christians began blowing themselves up in the name of Christianity I guarantee every Christian, non-Christian and ACLU(same as non-Christian) member would be up in arms.
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