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Old 07-05-2008, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Truthfully driving is a privilege not a right, i think driving 55 or 70 is no big deal, i wouldn't think it would be an issue that anyone would get real upset about, there are many more important issues in this world.
Except most people don't go 70. Most people go 15-20 mph over the limit. At bare minimum, they should enforce the existing speed limits strictly. In most urban areas that is 60 or 65, yet traffic flows upwards of 80.
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Old 07-05-2008, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Truthfully driving is a privilege not a right, i think driving 55 or 70 is no big deal, i wouldn't think it would be an issue that anyone would get real upset about, there are many more important issues in this world.
No, truthfully it is not a privilege. Like I said earlier, a privilege can be granted or revoked arbitrarily. The state cannot arbitrarily restrict or revoke a person's right to drive; it must exercise due process to do so.
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Old 07-05-2008, 11:47 PM
 
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And this is another example of why I resent the seat belt laws, the nanny state continues to be debated for expansion, I mean opportunities.
I am for seat belt laws so they keep the stinking carcasses of the dead in DUI in the cars and not out on the streets with the rest of us. I must be a mary poppins indeed.
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Old 07-05-2008, 11:48 PM
 
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No, truthfully it is not a privilege. Like I said earlier, a privilege can be granted or revoked arbitrarily. The state cannot arbitrarily restrict or revoke a person's right to drive; it must exercise due process to do so.
Most states your privelege is revoked and when you prove your innocence you get your license back. Once the warrant goes out, your license is suspended.
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Old 07-05-2008, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Most states your privelege is revoked and when you prove your innocence you get your license back. Once the warrant goes out, your license is suspended.
What?
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Old 07-06-2008, 07:19 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Most states your privelege is revoked and when you prove your innocence you get your license back. Once the warrant goes out, your license is suspended.
Statements such as this would carry a lot more veracity if such a state were named and the law cited. Without this, "most" is an unsubstaniated crock.
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Old 07-06-2008, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Whereas I don't even know what the heck she's talking about.
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Old 07-06-2008, 08:02 AM
 
Location: California
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No, truthfully it is not a privilege. Like I said earlier, a privilege can be granted or revoked arbitrarily. The state cannot arbitrarily restrict or revoke a person's right to drive; it must exercise due process to do so.
Better read your DMV booklet, driving is a privilege not a right issued by your state after you complete the requirments and it can be taken away for a number of reasons.
Back to the topic, even with a 55mph limit many people will continue to drive as fast as they want, i will agree with others that it doesn't make sense unless there was a gas shortage and even then I don't know how much gas you save at 55 mph over 70 mph. it's just my attitude that when I go some where I leave plenty of time to get there so it really doesn't bother me at all if they lowered the speed limit.
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Old 07-06-2008, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Better read your DMV booklet, driving is a privilege not a right issued by your state after you complete the requirments and it can be taken away for a number of reasons.
Yes, the RIGHT to drive can be taken away, but only in a manner that is not violative of due process. It CANNOT be taken away at any time for any reason at all as a privilege can be. Any right can be revoked if it is not exercised responsibly and no right is absolute. Driving is no different. Placing rational restrictions on a right in order to make it practicable does NOT reduce it to a privilege.

"The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th Amendment." - Kent v Dulles, 357 U.S. 116

"Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated in accordance with the public interest and convenience." - Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago, 169 NE 22

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v Smith, 154 SE 579
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Old 07-06-2008, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Except most people don't go 70. Most people go 15-20 mph over the limit. At bare minimum, they should enforce the existing speed limits strictly. In most urban areas that is 60 or 65, yet traffic flows upwards of 80.
That is what I think too. The limits should be set to a reasonable limit- say 65 urban and 70 or 75 rural and then it should be strictly enforced- using photo speed radar which would photo every vehicle going even 1 mph over the limit and send the car owner a costly ticket- maybe $100 plus $20 for each MPH over the limit
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