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I think that if the mother can give the baby up (abortion)... the only fair thing to do is allow the father to give the baby up (no financial support). That's the only fair thing to do in my mind.
Here's a very good discussion of lots of issues in this debate. No real conclusions drawn, but it should give everyone cause to think intelligently about things.
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It is 100% a woman's decision and her decision alone. The man should have ZERO say so in the matter. Especially since most men run off from their kids anyway. As a man, I am honestly ashamed of men.
It is 100% a woman's decision and her decision alone. The man should have ZERO say so in the matter. Especially since most men run off from their kids anyway. As a man, I am honestly ashamed of men.
Thanks for that enlightening bit of emotional, guilt-driven ignorance.
if men should have zero say, then why should a woman have a say in where the man spends his money? the article posted brings up good points of a financial abortion. I don't think a man should force a woman to get an abortion, or have a baby, but I don't think a woman should legally be able to force a man to support a child he didn't want.
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It is 100% a woman's decision and her decision alone. The man should have ZERO say so in the matter. Especially since most men run off from their kids anyway. As a man, I am honestly ashamed of men.
if men should have zero say, then why should a woman have a say in where the man spends his money? the article posted brings up good points of a financial abortion. I don't think a man should force a woman to get an abortion, or have a baby, but I don't think a woman should legally be able to force a man to support a child he didn't want.
I think most rational people would agree with this. I wouldn't spend time with the above poster, as, to put it politely, you'd be wasting effort on a knee-jerk leftist (not good to waste time on knee-jerk right-wingers either).
But yeah... um... I think the father should have the right to go to court and financially abort his child. Thank goodness us gays don't EVER have to face that delimma!
I think that if the mother can give the baby up (abortion)... the only fair thing to do is allow the father to give the baby up (no financial support). That's the only fair thing to do in my mind.
It's not quite as black and white as that. What about the scenario of a divorced couple? The woman is generally left raising the child (or children) and by your logic, the man could all of a sudden declare "financial abortion" and claim he never really wanted the children (I could see the argument that she got pregnant to get married or keep the marriage) and doesn't want to pay child support. Also, what about the the damage to the poor child both financially and emotionally? Why should he/she be made to suffer because of the mistakes the parents made? I know that logically, both parents should have a say (and I would personally not make a decision without discussing it with my partner/husband) but hey you picked the person to lay with and if this issue is so important, use protection every time. Also, get a DNA test and make sure you're actually the father.
It's not quite as black and white as that. What about the scenario of a divorced couple? The woman is generally left raising the child (or children) and by your logic, the man could all of a sudden declare "financial abortion" and claim he never really wanted the children (I could see the argument that she got pregnant to get married or keep the marriage) and doesn't want to pay child support. Also, what about the the damage to the poor child both financially and emotionally? Why should he/she be made to suffer because of the mistakes the parents made? I know that logically, both parents should have a say (and I would personally not make a decision without discussing it with my partner/husband) but hey you picked the person to lay with and if this issue is so important, use protection every time. Also, get a DNA test and make sure you're actually the father.
My argument in a previous post was that men be given the option to opt out only while abortion for "elective reasons" is generally available during a pregnancy. Cases of divorce and other "after the fact" changes of mind/heart wouldn't work.
On a somewhat separate issue, I think that if a man is going to provide child support, he needs to be able to see the child as much as he wants right up to the percentage of the child's overall costs of upbringing that he is paying for. No child support for women who do not cooperate with visitation when fathers want to see their children.
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Thank goodness us gays don't EVER have to face that delimma!
