We Don't Need No Stinkin Unions! (employment, interview, wages, thought)

[silas777]

Originally Posted by paullySC

Unions, what a joke. All they do is drive jobs out of the country. Unions are a business and take others for ride that don't know any better. Union leaders make millions a year. But you never hear liberals complain about unions and union leaders. What a bunch of naive hypocrites. When I worked in manufacturing UAW got voted into one of the plants. They ended up with less money, less benefits and regret the decision every day. Unions are parasites, it's sad people are so scared to make there own decisions.

You nailed it paully, unions are driven by greed , their whole mentality is to drive up wages, in turn increasing the cost of living for everyone. Look how business are thriving in right to work states vs heavily unionized states.

[delusianne]

Originally Posted by silas777

You nailed it paully, unions are driven by greed , their whole mentality is to drive up wages, in turn increasing the cost of living for everyone. Look how business are thriving in right to work states vs heavily unionized states.

Do you believe workers shouldn't have the right to organize? That such an idea is a meaningless leftover from the dear dead days of the New Deal?

[silas777]

Originally Posted by delusianne

But it's treacherous to try to stand firm and together against a company which will always have greater resources, union-busting resources, than the workers can scrounge up for themselves on their own.

Treacherous?? stand firm and together about what? whatever happened to : This job suck's, I QUIT!!! Or one of my all time favorites, You can take this job and SHOVE IT!!

[Huckleberry3911948]

great post. just when did we decide that government & corporations would treat us fairly in the absence of unions? french workers are fighting phycially for their jobs in the streets. they are being physically attacked by immigrants that want their jobs.
the union there is the only player on the field speaking for the worker. why do we think it is different here?
happy independence day, hey france, thanks for the NYC harbor statue

[Nomander]

Originally Posted by delusianne

Workers can protect themselves with (what remains of) the labor laws, without having to sign with a union. But it's treacherous to try to stand firm and together against a company which will always have greater resources, union-busting resources, than the workers can scrounge up for themselves on their own.

Well, I have worked on both sides of the fence. That is, the unjust business that sticks it to the employee's and the business that attempts to be fair, but is constantly being stuck by the employee's.

The people have the power and always will. They think "Big business" rules, but business means nothing without the people. A government means nothing without its people. The problem is, these "powers", "businesses", "governments" are often nothing more than a reflection of the people.

I find it hard to sympathize with those who proclaim injustice when they are a shining example of it themselves. Just a pot of thieves arguing over who gets the loot.

There are valid examples on both sides, but in most cases, they are fuleled by not an attempt of "An honest days work for an honest days wage", but a matter of "winner takes all".

[silas777]

Originally Posted by delusianne

Do you believe workers shouldn't have the right to organize? That such an idea is a meaningless leftover from the dear dead days of the New Deal?

I think they can organize all they want! and an employer has the right to say, look, here is what I am hiring you to do and this is how much I am paying you, if that sounds good, great, if not fine, go work somewhere more to your liking!

[paullySC]

Originally Posted by silas777

I think they can organize all they want! and an employer has the right to say, look, here is what I am hiring you to do and this is how much I am paying you, if that sounds good, great, if not fine, go work somewhere more to your liking!

Find a different job? That would require people getting off there lazy butt.

[silas777]

Originally Posted by paullySC

Find a different job? That would require people getting off there lazy butt.

Well it also goes against the whole mentality that they are entitled to have things the way they want them and that an employer owe them!

[scorpy01]

Originally Posted by Nomander

I always saw unions in this way. The people realized that if they banded together, they could stop injustice and unfairness. Then, after they succeeded in doing so, they found out that this power was useful for personal gain.

So, while I see the "good" of a union, a union is only as good as its members and those members combined with the power of the union can be just as unjust as the company to which they claim to protect themselves from.

I'm quoting you just because it needs to be repeated. You hit the nail on the head. Unions were a wonderful idea, but then you add the human element and corruption soon follows.

[Huckleberry3911948]

Originally Posted by scorpy01

I'm quoting you just because it needs to be repeated. You hit the nail on the head. Unions were a wonderful idea, but then you add the human element and corruption soon follows.

government and corporations are also corrupt. takes a stalin to stop a hitler. of course if you or your kids are in no danger of picking lettuce in the fields, the whole concept of labor unions seems a little silly doesn't it?
no disrespect intended but, i mean if jr get a new BMW and a trip to hawaii this year, we are not on the same page are we?