Religious Nutcase Pharmacist Threaten Women's Health ( wage , thought, regular, Reed)

[StoneOne]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

camping!
Some people don't have credit cards to order overseas or over the internet. Heck, a great number of people don't have computers or the internet.
Gotta look at the whole picture.

I was in Cambodia a year or 2 ago and wondered aloud why a young woman had so many kids, she couldn't afford to travel to Phnom Penh to a doctor to get birth control. It's not always an easy thing. Made me look at supporting citizenry in a different way.

I'd rather support those who don't have the wherewithal to support themselves; not everyone is even of average intelligence and wealth.

That's all well and good, and I think women should have the freedom to buy whatever birth control they want, but what I am completely uncomfortable with is the notion that private business should be required to make life easier for the woman in question. It's a very, very slippery slope when you start requiring businesses to carry products.

[Mike from back east]

Originally Posted by StoneOne

And your rights stop at the door of my privately-owned business.

You can buy what I have to offer, but you cannot instruct me or lecture me about what I must sell. You can take your business elsewhere, which I hope you would in the event my store wasn't meeting your demand.

The market is a wonderful thing. Let the market sort this out.

No thanks, not buying that flimsy old "privately owned business" line of thought. I recall the sixties, when I sat on a barstool and watched as the bartenders refused to sell drinks to black customers, only carry out alcohol for blacks was allowed at "white" bars. Those were "privately owned businesses" too, and they were DEAD WRONG. Refusing to sell Plan B or RU486 or birth control is just another form of discrimination and it seems to me that it should be prohibited by law. If you serve the public then you will serve the public and not discriminate. I'm sure that stupid pharmacist is glad to take the Government's money for medicare and medicaid patients, so it seems to me that if you take government money then you will follow all government laws and not discriminate against anyone. When I walk into a pharmacy that serves the public, I expect to have all the legal drugs available to me. Period.

[bbkaren]

Originally Posted by Mike from back east

No thanks, not buying that flimsy old "privately owned business" line of thought...

Has it come to this?

YIKES

[Tom Lennox 70]

Originally Posted by domergurl

I got involved in a huge debate about this whackjob organzation called Pharmacists for Life ... I'm not kidding. Not sure if this org was described in the article, but ... Pharmacists For Life International - pfli.org - ©MCMLXXXIV-MMVIII

If these pharmacists want to practice their religion in their professional lives, then they should go be doctors and refuse to prescribe pro-women medications. Gee, wonder if these same buttheads would feel the same about filling a prescription for wanger pills? If I were a doctor, I'd be outraged that these people exist.

I remember a couple years ago, our local Wal-Mart pharmacist wadded up a prescription for plan B and threw it back at the teenager .. nice huh?

I'm just pointing out that by law a pharmacist is allowed to refuse to fill Plan B, and the law I believe is specific to Plan B in most states. I think that teenager at Wal-Mart deserved it. No, I personally wouldn't act the way that pharmacist did, but girls like her need to be taught that their actions are not acceptable. What she needs is to go to church and develop some morals.

I think the decline of religious attendance in the U.S., whether Christian or other religions (I know many people who say they are from a Jewish family but haven't been in a synogogue in years) will no doubt lead to declining morality, especially as it comes to people's personal lives. How abstinence education should work is that kids should taught that they shoudln't have sex because its just WRONG and MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE outside of marriage. The wide availability of Plan B (hopefully we'lll never be like Europe where they are sold OTC just like Tums) only sends the message that young people can just sleep around and have sex for fun without any consequences. Most education these days discourage sex by saying its dangerous and you might get pregnant and you might get STDs, but it should also taught that simply its a wrong thing to do.

[camping!]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

camping!
Some people don't have credit cards to order overseas or over the internet. Heck, a great number of people don't have computers or the internet.
Gotta look at the whole picture.

I was in Cambodia a year or 2 ago and wondered aloud why a young woman had so many kids, she couldn't afford to travel to Phnom Penh to a doctor to get birth control. It's not always an easy thing. Made me look at supporting citizenry in a different way.

I'd rather support those who don't have the wherewithal to support themselves; not everyone is even of average intelligence and wealth.

Hays Kansas is hardly Phnom Penh. And too, privately owned pharmacies are becoming a thing of the past so really, this whole debate doesn't have a whole lot of time left in it.
You are right that not everybody has cc to order over the internet.....hadn't thought of that.
Still, one thing to understand about rural America is that almost everyone has cars. You have to, there is no public transportation. So, if you don't have a car you certainly know someone who does. That forty mile drive is literally nothing for someone who lives in the hicks. In fact, from what my dh and others I know who grew up in these tiny towns say they wouldn't go to the town pharmacy anyway..... no way to keep your business private there! They go to the town forty miles away or more. The whole argument is pretty moot.

[chielgirl]

Tom, you are the poster child for why I run as far away as I can from sanctimonious bully xians.
___________
A 40 mile drive is a lot for a single mom who works minimum wage to drive and pay for gas.
It can easily be a burden.

My experience in Siem Reap brought home that I'm lucky to have the resources I do, it makes my life a lot easier.
I can afford the basics and then some.
Many people can't.
It is those people we must advocate for.

[StoneOne]

Originally Posted by Mike from back east

No thanks, not buying that flimsy old "privately owned business" line of thought. I recall the sixties, when I sat on a barstool and watched as the bartenders refused to sell drinks to black customers, only carry out alcohol for blacks was allowed at "white" bars. Those were "privately owned businesses" too, and they were DEAD WRONG. Refusing to sell Plan B or RU486 or birth control is just another form of discrimination and it seems to me that it should be prohibited by law. If you serve the public then you will serve the public and not discriminate. I'm sure that stupid pharmacist is glad to take the Government's money for medicare and medicaid patients, so it seems to me that if you take government money then you will follow all government laws and not discriminate against anyone. When I walk into a pharmacy that serves the public, I expect to have all the legal drugs available to me. Period.

Apples and Oranges here.

The bars stocked the drink and discriminated by offering it to some customers while denying it to others.

The pharmacies don't offer it at all, so where's the discrimination? If they offer it but have one employee who refuses to provide it for whatever reason, that's simply bad customer service.

[Mike from back east]

Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70

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Please do not feed the troll.

[Tom Lennox 70]

Originally Posted by Houston3

You are 100% correct and the left would be in here defending the Muslim pharmacist... LOL

There's been news out of Minneapolis about Muslim taxi drivers from Somalia refusing to carry passengers because they have alcohol with them.....

[Mike from back east]

Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70

There's been news out of Minneapolis about Muslim taxi drivers from Somalia refusing to carry passengers because they have alcohol with them.....

The taxi driver should be fired or have their taxi license revoked. Period. If you serve the public, then SERVE the public.