Do you know what ANWR is? (global warming, Iraq, middle east, American)

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

I don't know all the details about you but simply owning property doesn't qualify for a check. Must qualify as a "resident" as defined by law.

And, we have met all the qualifications -

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Nothing is going to happen to the "caribou" - sheesh

BUT, if something does happen to one animal - I'll make sure to gut it right and put it on the BBQ

Arctic Refuge: Oil and Gas Issues

Biology and Politics Meet in ANWR Debate, Alaska Science Forum

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Greatday

And, we have met all the qualifications -

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but I do indeed have doubts, if you spend at most 4 months a year there, and live mainly in another state.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but I do indeed have doubts, if you spend at most 4 months a year there, and live mainly in another state.

It is a year round available residence - but, thank you so very much for your benefit of the doubt -

And, rest assured that the State of Alaska has fully investigated and approved our residency status - I trust that makes you feel so much better

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

You really just don't "get it" do you? We use so much (about 7 billion barrels a year) that all of the oil in the U.S. combined won't make any big difference. We'll be right back where we are now within ten years, and with less other natural resources to rely on due to the environmental destruction.

We can either increase our supply of oil drilling at the areas mentioned or not. I don't want to be dependent on the Middle East oil, do you?
The "11 year" supply increase is a ridiculous claim; there is a huge amount of oil off both coasts.

Give me a break. You didn't see from the estimates of how long the oil shales would last that it's based on current population and doesn't take into account the extreme population growth projected for the next century?

Give me a break... we both know that in less than 25 years, alternate fuel will be much more common, if not in widespread, use.

Yes, they can. Go read what the scientists have written.

Yeah, the same type of "scientists" who keep ramming "global warming" down our throats.

Works for a starting point. Follow the references/citations for more detailed info.

Why "start" with a source with has known inaccuracies?

Go do some searching. They opposed it for varying reasons, from worries over property values to the risk (which is quite real) of oil spills which would ruin their beaches, the waters that are popular for fishing and such, and in turn property values.

Can you post some links showing the majority of Floridians oppose drilling offshore? And as Greatday pointed out, there were no oil spills even after two major hurricanes.

Considering how much the U.S. has meddled with other countries' affairs over more trivial matters in the past century, it was almost a surprise that we didn't try to stop China.

The U.S.'s "meddling" has helped liberate more countries than any other country on Earth. Furthermore, hundreds of thousands of Americans have given their lives to do so.

But currently we would be unable to, due to China's power over us as a result of our massive debt and reliance on imports, China's wealth and strength that has resulted from its trade with other countries including the U.S., and of course, how other countries would react these days. Kind of amusing in a way how out of greed by corporations we sent our manufacturing and such over to China, now they've become incredibly wealthy and more powerful as a result. They're pouring the money they get into their military

I will ask yet again... China is drilling 50 miles off the Flordia coast; why shouldn't the U.S. do so, too? (You already used in invalid excuse of hurricanes, so try another one.)

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Fleet

We can either increase our supply of oil drilling at the areas mentioned or not. I don't want to be dependent on the Middle East oil, do you?
The "11 year" supply increase is a ridiculous claim; there is a huge amount of oil off both coasts.

U.S. Crude Oil Proved Reserves, Reserves Changes, and Production

Give me a break... we both know that in less than 25 years, alternate fuel will be much more common, if not in widespread, use.

Same was said in the 1970's and it didn't happen because once the oil flowed easily again people didn't care. As I've said, people are often short sighted. We had over 30 years to find some solutions and we didn't. Didn't put the money or effort into researching things on a large scale. It was left up to small companies and individuals to struggle with a tiny crowd of alternative energy supporters to work on it. Absolutely stupid and foolish is all that describes it.

Yeah, the same type of "scientists" who keep ramming "global warming" down our throats.

Climate change is the correct term. You need to differentiate between the science and the BS spewed by politicians and such (Gore's version of things is not sound, for example).

Why "start" with a source with has known inaccuracies?

In this case it doesn't. As I said, go to the references/citations and study things a while. The Hirsch report is something you should read as well.

Can you post some links showing the majority of Floridians oppose drilling offshore? And as Greatday pointed out, there were no oil spills even after two major hurricanes.

A quick search found this, doubtless the full extent wasn't realized that early either: 44 oil spills found in southeast Louisiana - Hurricanes Archive Section - MSNBC.com

The U.S.'s "meddling" has helped liberate more countries than any other country on Earth. Furthermore, hundreds of thousands of Americans have given their lives to do so.

In some cases yes (notably world war two), in others, no. I'm glad we fought in WWII, not so glad about some of the stuff the CIA and military has done in South America and Africa and the Middle East over the years. Not all of it is very nice.

I will ask yet again... China is drilling 50 miles off the Flordia coast; why shouldn't the U.S. do so, too? (You already used in invalid excuse of hurricanes, so try another one.)

Your argument is not based on logic. Just because someone else does something doesn't make it right. I'm not happy China is drilling after we haven't. Still, it doesn't make me scream to drill, it makes me scream to stop China if we can, but currently we can't because of the mess free trade (with China stealing our manufacturing) and wars we can't afford (Iraq for example, resulting in China owning a lot of our debt) has gotten us into with China. We're China's little slave now.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Greatday

It is a year round available residence - but, thank you so very much for your benefit of the doubt -

And, rest assured that the State of Alaska has fully investigated and approved our residency status - I trust that makes you feel so much better

Don't take my questioning personally. Your 4 months comment just struck me as odd. I've owned property up there for about 5 months now so it surprised me as I certainly don't qualify for the checks and you mention being there 4 months a year. I get pretty mad at anyone who fraudulently takes tax money (my main target is generally the lifetime welfare recipients I see all over the place where I live right now, makes me mad how they milk the systems for all they're worth...).

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Don't take my questioning personally. Your 4 months comment just struck me as odd. I've owned property up there for about 5 months now so it surprised me as I certainly don't qualify for the checks and you mention being there 4 months a year. I get pretty mad at anyone who fraudulently takes tax money (my main target is generally the lifetime welfare recipients I see all over the place where I live right now, makes me mad how they milk the systems for all they're worth...).

We have owned property there for over 5 years

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Greatday

We have owned property there for over 5 years

Ahh, just 4 years and 7 months to go to catch up...hopefully I'm there for good in the spring. Leaving AK for VT after land hunting wasn't easy, but I didn't have money to move yet...

[Sonrise]

I just found out that we/the government spends 4 x's more a year on terror sponsored oil then we do the war in Iraq. Many people complain about the exorbitant cost of the war, yet these same people don't want us to drill on our home turf, thus continuing our dependence on terror sponsored oil. I don't get it.