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It will be the defining accomplishment of President-to-be Obama in his first term. And people will once again ask why none of these critical services were never addressed by President Bush? But, instead, put the nation in bankruptcy b/c of the fool's war.
Oh yes and when Obama comes to tax me for it be ready for Obama to feel the power of a revolution. Bush is an idiot anyway and most the democrats and neo-con republicans helped put us ALL in debt as well and they supported this endless war so please stop the lies. Most of the congress over the last 8 years should be tried for treason and thrown out of congress forever. The president should be impeached for so many reasons. The reason is not for LIBERAL reasons but for main reason they abuse the power of government it is not a social program/welfare supporting, IRS abusing, illegal immgrant supporting, WAR propoganda machine for a new Socialist government. The erosion of free speech, guns rights, and habus corpus. Their voting records should be reviewed for ignoring the rights of tax paying Americans and creating programs designed to ignore the constitution and the role of limited government. They have falled their oath to defend protect and preserve the constitution by creating more programs of tryanny with homeland security and the patriot act. Obama is another traitor to the American Revolution, every miltary men and women that ever died for our country and he is a socialist pig. Happ you are a supporter of Government for the elite, those who believe money should be moved from people to people to serve the purpose of government. Government is another way of saying BETTER THEN YOU. The elite run everyone's income and what you believe to be "FREE" healthcare is no more then managed tax dollar lies and corruption. The pharm industry, lawyers and other groups already paid and bought our Government because idiots like you supported the government having that much power to regulate our current medical system. Now you want Government to manage "free" healthcare for all so they can further have the power over my life, my income, and medical quality and the red tape for the corrupt. FU buddy I'm trying to keep the IRS and government out my life, my wallet and we have liberal ass republicans and socialist type Obama democrats looking for new ways to STEAL, RAPE from me.
The American people are fed up from this crap and BS we hear in washington and promises of BIGGER government.
Oh yes and when Obama comes to tax me for it be ready for Obama to feel the power of a revolution. Bush is an idiot anyway and most the democrats and neo-con republicans helped put us ALL in debt as well and they supported this endless war so please stop the lies. Most of the congress over the last 8 years should be tried for treason and thrown out of congress forever. The president should be impeached for so many reasons. The reason is not for LIBERAL reasons but for main reason they abuse the power of government it is not a social program/welfare supporting, IRS abusing, illegal immgrant supporting, WAR propoganda machine for a new Socialist government. The erosion of free speech, guns rights, and habus corpus. Their voting records should be reviewed for ignoring the rights of tax paying Americans and creating programs designed to ignore the constitution and the role of limited government. They have falled their oath to defend protect and preserve the constitution by creating more programs of tryanny with homeland security and the patriot act. Obama is another traitor to the American Revolution, every miltary men and women that ever died for our country and he is a socialist pig. Happ you are a supporter of Government for the elite, those who believe money should be moved from people to people to serve the purpose of government. Government is another way of saying BETTER THEN YOU. The elite run everyone's income and what you believe to be "FREE" healthcare is no more then managed tax dollar lies and corruption. The pharm industry, lawyers and other groups already paid and bought our Government because idiots like you supported the government having that much power to regulate our current medical system. Now you want Government to manage "free" healthcare for all so they can further have the power over my life, my income, and medical quality and the red tape for the corrupt. FU buddy I'm trying to keep the IRS and government out my life, my wallet and we have liberal ass republicans and socialist type Obama democrats looking for new ways to STEAL, RAPE from me.
The American people are fed up from this crap and BS we hear in washington and promises of BIGGER government.
WOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEE-I could not have said it better myself brother!!!!
I'll add this on my behalf, the contract we have puts over $5.00 an hour I work to the health in my union.-Can't remember exact amount
That's $2.00 generic, or name brand "medical necessary", or $20.00+ difference between generic and name brand if you absolutely want it.(scripts)
No office deduct.
$500 office ded. a year
$750 hosp. ded. a year
I can see any specialist without primary doc. note
Mental health
some physical therapy
Dental
eyeglasses
So that's x40=$200 week, or $800.00 a month that's paid on my behalf.
So if I can get this same coverage through uncle sam, pay the same, and everyone's covered-fine, those little $5.00 an hour will go back on my check.
If something is offered that is insane, and I still need my Union Health that I will pay dues on, I am not for paying one more dime in taxes, over paying for myself-NO WAY-NO HOW
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1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
These are the current World Health Organization rankings by country. Almost all of the countries ranked above the US have some sort of government sponsored healthcare system. As for people dying waiting for care, please. I lived in the Netherlands for 5 years and never had to wait for anything - including a masectomy, radiation, etc. On the contrary, my mother also had these procedures done in America (with health insurance), which totalled thousands of dollars in out of pocket expenses for the treatment and continuing medication. If she did not have insurance, or the credit to take out a loan to pay the medical bills, she would have died.
Some people should really get their facts straight.
I'm amazed that there are fools out there that don't want some type of universal healthcare. Just the mere mention of the words "socialized medicine" frightens people, yet they welcome socialized education, police, and fire.
All of which are administered incompetently.
EVERYTHING THE GOVERMENT GETS ITS HANDS ON, IT SCREWS UP. WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THAT TO UNDERSTAND?
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
These are the current World Health Organization rankings by country. Almost all of the countries ranked above the US have some sort of government sponsored healthcare system. As for people dying waiting for care, please. I lived in the Netherlands for 5 years and never had to wait for anything - including a masectomy, radiation, etc. On the contrary, my mother also had these procedures done in America (with health insurance), which totalled thousands of dollars in out of pocket expenses for the treatment and continuing medication. If she did not have insurance, or the credit to take out a loan to pay the medical bills, she would have died.
Some people should really get their facts straight.
Wow, you really don't know much about those countries' healthcare systems either. For starters, the original question pertained to "free healthcare." Unless doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals are enslaved and medicines and equipment and real estate are stolen to provide for the people, there is no such thing as "free healthcare." Those countres have very expensive healthcare, just like the U.S. The only real difference is that those who prefer to sit around at home instead of working -- go to France or Germany and you'll find plenty such able-bodied people -- get a free ride when it comes to healthcare. The rest of the population pays for it through very high taxes. And I know for a fact that in Germany, one contributes a very high amount of money from each paycheck toward health insurance. The government matches.
Wow, you really don't know much about those countries' healthcare systems either. For starters, the original question pertained to "free healthcare." Unless doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals are enslaved and medicines and equipment and real estate are stolen to provide for the people, there is no such thing as "free healthcare." Those countres have very expensive healthcare, just like the U.S. The only real difference is that those who prefer to sit around at home instead of working -- go to France or Germany and you'll find plenty such able-bodied people -- get a free ride when it comes to healthcare. The rest of the population pays for it through very high taxes. And I know for a fact that in Germany, one contributes a very high amount of money from each paycheck toward health insurance. The government matches.
Sorry, but actually I do. I was not taking the "free healthcare" literally, as I am very aware that a healthcare system costs money. I was speaking of a government sponsored healthcare system that is either free or at a very low cost to the citizens. I do not need to go to France, I have lived there and experienced the system for myself. I also lived on the border of the Netherlands and Germany and know about the German system as well. Of course there will always be people in every country that gets a free ride from the government, there are millions currently doing that in the US.
Of course taxes are higher in Europe, I am not disputing that. However, those high taxes from my paycheck paid for:
- My childrens college and post graduate education
- Their healthcare until they were 18
- 6 months of maternity leave
- efficient public transportation
- NO homeless people on the streets
- worry free healthcare
- clean cities with beautiful parks, recreational areas
I could go on and on. Not to mention if I was to retire there, I would receive 80% of my salary for the rest of my life.
And yes, in the Netherlands you do pay for a portion of your healthcare, HOWEVER you will never pay a dime, a penny out of pocket. Also, if you do not use your health insurance, you receive a rebate at the end of the year for hundreds of dollars. I believe this is the system in Germany as well.
Oh, and do tell, did you walk the streets of France and Germany and count the "able bodied" people getting a free ride? Just curious.
Sorry, but actually I do. I was not taking the "free healthcare" literally, as I am very aware that a healthcare system costs money. I was speaking of a government sponsored healthcare system that is either free or at a very low cost to the citizens. I do not need to go to France, I have lived there and experienced the system for myself. I also lived on the border of the Netherlands and Germany and know about the German system as well. Of course there will always be people in every country that gets a free ride from the government, there are millions currently doing that in the US.
Of course taxes are higher in Europe, I am not disputing that. However, those high taxes from my paycheck paid for:
- My childrens college and post graduate education
- Their healthcare until they were 18
- 6 months of maternity leave
- efficient public transportation
- NO homeless people on the streets
- worry free healthcare
- clean cities with beautiful parks, recreational areas
I could go on and on. Not to mention if I was to retire there, I would receive 80% of my salary for the rest of my life.
And yes, in the Netherlands you do pay for a portion of your healthcare, HOWEVER you will never pay a dime, a penny out of pocket. Also, if you do not use your health insurance, you receive a rebate at the end of the year for hundreds of dollars. I believe this is the system in Germany as well.
Oh, and do tell, did you walk the streets of France and Germany and count the "able bodied" people getting a free ride? Just curious.
Why would we want any of that crap? It is the peoples choice!
- Choose to be educated
- Babies can take care of themselves
- I'll drive my 4x4 with boat attached instead
- Homeless keep the streets clean of leftovers
- We like to worry a lot.
- We prefer smog and DisneyLand
Oh, and do tell, did you walk the streets of France and Germany and count the "able bodied" people getting a free ride? Just curious.
I spent just over a week in Berlin, and have spent quite a bit of time there before as well. Yes, that city is full of able-bodied people getting a free ride. Too many to count.
I don't dispute the high standard of living that Europe has, but what your post does not take into account is the lack of sustainability of it all, something which is a serious issue.
Finally, the heavy involvement of the state comes at a serious cost in terms of liberty. Bureaucracy in many European countries is suffocating. But I suppose that's another issue...
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