I think it may have finally happened...NEA Education (Iran, Iraq, middle east)

[tomocox]

Since the 1960's we have worried about the effect an NEA eduction would have on America's future. I think I am begining to see the handwriting on the walls. It was simply so clear and I could not see the forest for the trees. An NEA education has failed to teach history. It only taught "me and my." As I have read so many of the words of this forum, it has become obvious that few people understand history and how if we don't understand it, we are doomed to repeat. I guess the most dangerous chapter that I fear is sumed up by Nevil Chamberlain's quote, "peace in our time." Never in history has negotiation with an aggressor ever succeeded.

[texdav]

Originally Posted by tomocox

Since the 1960's we have worried about the effect an NEA eduction would have on America's future. I think I am begining to see the handwriting on the walls. It was simply so clear and I could not see the forest for the trees. An NEA education has failed to teach history. It only taught "me and my." As I have read so many of the words of this forum, it has become obvious that few people understand history and how if we don't understand it, we are doomed to repeat. I guess the most dangerous chapter that I fear is sumed up by Nevil Chamberlain's quote, "peace in our time." Never in history has negotiation with an aggressor ever succeeded.

I reaslly think that the lesson of history always seem lose even to thsoe who know it. Why;because tehy are the ones that so oftwen repeat the same mistakes. besides the world is always changing and just like warfare has changed since WWII that the tactics used are more or less useless to modern military forces. Chamberlain is a perfect example that you can't really carry the past over into teh future.Another example is the naval warfare in the pacific ;even the admirals that studied it for so long never thouht that the carrier and air power would be so dominate.Those that live in the past are doomed to failure .

[tablemtn]

Is this about Iran?

[tomocox]

Originally Posted by tablemtn

Is this about Iran?

No, Iran just happens to be the visual aid. This is about people who want to negotiate with aggressor nations/governments. The current Democrat party platform seems to be like the pacifist Chamberlain begging Hitler to be a good boy.

I oppose war, I hate war, I see no good from war, but our enemies don't agree with me, so we must respect their feelings and without hesitation stop the aggression before the aggressor is capable. Had France and England stopped Hitler when he invaded the Sudetenland, how many Jews and how many Americans would still be alive today, not to mention the millions of other Europeans?

[Convert 54]

Originally Posted by tomocox

No, Iran just happens to be the visual aid. This is about people who want to negotiate with aggressor nations/governments. The current Democrat party platform seems to be like the pacifist Chamberlain begging Hitler to be a good boy.

I oppose war, I hate war, I see no good from war, but our enemies don't agree with me, so we must respect their feelings and without hesitation stop the aggression before the aggressor is capable. Had France and England stopped Hitler when he invaded the Sudetenland, how many Jews and how many Americans would still be alive today, not to mention the millions of other Europeans?

Your point is well made.

All Decent men oppose war as the last resort, Its just ashame that not all men are decent.

[Wendell Phillips]

"The only thing to be learnt from history is that nobody learns from history."
- William Golding, Close Quarters (1987)

[LibertyandJusticeforAll]

Originally Posted by tomocox

No, Iran just happens to be the visual aid. This is about people who want to negotiate with aggressor nations/governments. The current Democrat party platform seems to be like the pacifist Chamberlain begging Hitler to be a good boy.

I oppose war, I hate war, I see no good from war, but our enemies don't agree with me, so we must respect their feelings and without hesitation stop the aggression before the aggressor is capable. Had France and England stopped Hitler when he invaded the Sudetenland, how many Jews and how many Americans would still be alive today, not to mention the millions of other Europeans?

Democrat party platform changes when the republican is in office. They will bomb iraq, bosnia, somila and have no problems going to war for causes of racism, poverty or any other reason they would make up.
When we go to war we must make sure it is a just war, make sure you doing it to protect your nation and your constitution nothing more. If Iran bombs isreal our country and constitution will still exisit. Thou many at home have tried to destroy it from within. Make sure you are attacked first not causing the aggression. Make your regional war does not spend and threaten others. Make sure you understand your enemny even if you disagree with their countries politics. You should never go to war based on the view that the world should look as you believe it should. After all I believe that is what hilter did. Dont put miltary bases in countries that hate you. Don't try to impose sanctions on nations because they wish to defend their own country and sovernity. Just as China should not come here and make speaches in mexico about how America should be communist. Every american would gather arms and we would be testing missles.

[tomocox]

Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll

Democrat party platform changes when the republican is in office. They will bomb iraq, bosnia, somila and have no problems going to war for causes of racism, poverty or any other reason they would make up.
When we go to war we must make sure it is a just war, make sure you doing it to protect your nation and your constitution nothing more. If Iran bombs isreal our country and constitution will still exisit. Thou many at home have tried to destroy it from within. Make sure you are attacked first not causing the aggression. Make your regional war does not spend and threaten others. Make sure you understand your enemny even if you disagree with their countries politics. You should never go to war based on the view that the world should look as you believe it should. After all I believe that is what hilter did. Dont put miltary bases in countries that hate you. Don't try to impose sanctions on nations because they wish to defend their own country and sovernity. Just as China should not come here and make speaches in mexico about how America should be communist. Every american would gather arms and we would be testing missles.

A China man or woman doesn't have to go to Mexico to speak. Unlike every other nation in the world, the Chinaman gets to come here and condemn us. Try going to Teneman Square and waving an American flag six weeks after the Olympics.... Try taking an American flag to any Middle Easter country, including Israel and singing God Bless America...

In 2003, the United Nations voted overwhelmingly to stop Saddam's continued violations of the 1991 accords that the UN estabished. There is no doubt that Iraq killed 100's of thousands of its own and maybe more Iranians with WMD's.

We are under attack.... slowly patiently radical forces are attacking us here in the USA.

[LibertyandJusticeforAll]

Originally Posted by tomocox

A China man or woman doesn't have to go to Mexico to speak. Unlike every other nation in the world, the Chinaman gets to come here and condemn us. Try going to Teneman Square and waving an American flag six weeks after the Olympics.... Try taking an American flag to any Middle Easter country, including Israel and singing God Bless America...

In 2003, the United Nations voted overwhelmingly to stop Saddam's continued violations of the 1991 accords that the UN estabished. There is no doubt that Iraq killed 100's of thousands of its own and maybe more Iranians with WMD's.

We are under attack.... slowly patiently radical forces are attacking us here in the USA.

First I do not trust the United Nations. It would also be best not to put these radical people in power to do our bidding in the middle east. Again not following the constitutional founders view on foregin entanglements is what got us into this mess.
We are supporting an Empire to "make the world free" Freedom comes to those who want it and have to fight for it, it can't be bought and controlled by force. Iraq got most of the weapons from us and it would be best if we dont ARM the world with US tax dollars. The Radical that attack us see us as invaders of their religious and economic beliefs. True or False we must review our place in the world. If the middle east is full of kings and dictactors and crazy religions our constitution and America will prevail. If we are attacked knowing we are no longer a part of the middle east and have been out of the region for sometime. Every American will defend our country. If we interfere with their society via miltary and arming both sides we are setting up the WAR to take place where we have no reason to be there in the first place.
Communist China and those who believe the idea of socialism and communism will never understand liberty. Those oppressed communism will always pray and die for freedom. Lets make sure we set a good example for freedom at home and to the world not force ourselves and ideas via force and on those who did not attack us with force. Let us spread the message of liberty around the world and give those inspiration once again reclaiming our declation of independance.

[tomocox]

Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll

First I do not trust the United Nations. It would also be best not to put these radical people in power to do our bidding in the middle east. Again not following the constitutional founders view on foregin entanglements is what got us into this mess.
We are supporting an Empire to "make the world free" Freedom comes to those who want it and have to fight for it, it can't be bought and controlled by force. Iraq got most of the weapons from us and it would be best if we dont ARM the world with US tax dollars. The Radical that attack us see us as invaders of their religious and economic beliefs. True or False we must review our place in the world. If the middle east is full of kings and dictactors and crazy religions our constitution and America will prevail. If we are attacked knowing we are no longer a part of the middle east and have been out of the region for sometime. Every American will defend our country. If we interfere with their society via miltary and arming both sides we are setting up the WAR to take place where we have no reason to be there in the first place.
Communist China and those who believe the idea of socialism and communism will never understand liberty. Those oppressed communism will always pray and die for freedom. Lets make sure we set a good example for freedom at home and to the world not force ourselves and ideas via force and on those who did not attack us with force. Let us spread the message of liberty around the world and give those inspiration once again reclaiming our declation of independance.

I think it is important to blow your argument out of the water. Prior to 9/11, we had not invaded anywhere we weren't wanted. We did not occupy Afganistan, nor did we occupy the rest of the Mideast, except for the places Billy Clinton wanted us to be: say Bosnia & Somolia.

Revisionist history is not acceptable.