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Old 07-16-2008, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Murphy, TX
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Everyone, including government, goes to much length (ton $$$ too) to fight Terrorism. However, the chance of getting by a terror attack is so less. A lot people did die (3000) due 9/11 and it was horrible incident no doubt. However, 100s of Americans die every due other causes, which don't get that much attention at all for some reason. I guess people thinks its so common for people die due these cause that they just don't care.

However, there is about 42,000 people killed each year due car accidents. People definitely can avoid those. Probably just stop all drunk drivers you and see probably atleast 5k Americans saved each year. Of course not much effort is put in there compared to catching terrorists, after people always moan and groan about traffic cops.

There is nice 18k Homicide rate each year. The police seem over worked and can't catch all the murders out there. I bet if can find some stats, you will be more likely killed by an angry spouse/lover than a terrorist! Another area where people don't seem mind the high rate of death. Of course I bet people will say there always will be crime ...

Also, there about 30k suicide each year. Again not so much of big deal at all there either.

There tons of other leading causes of death (like potential doctor error). Millions of American did due medical reason, often/most some are not curable. I and any other American are more likely die of these than a terrorist attack. Yet people & government insist on focus on the great terrorist threat and spends ton of money on it. If money and effort was spent into other area thousand of American could saved easily. A whole a lot than spending all the effort fighting terrorism. However, doubt anyone (or the Government) will want do that.

Have look at here http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_10.pdf and here Death Statistics Tables. Or just search online and you will about similar numbers as I do.

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Old 07-17-2008, 12:02 AM
 
Location: southern california
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when they blew up NYC economy fell 10%. unfortunately there is big money is national security so our national debt went up far greater than the damage to NYC.
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Old 07-17-2008, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Murphy, TX
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I you know I right most people are likely get killed by their intimate person. Accorinding, every about 1500 people are killed by people who have/had relationships with. Much higher than I actually though it would. Interesting though rate is going down, but still chance you higher will get killed by someone close to you than terrorist attack. Again interesting, I have never heard anyone mention this fact before till I looked it up.

Here is data links: Homicides of intimates by gender of victim, 1976-2005 (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/d_intimates.htm - broken link) and Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Intimate homicide (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/intimates.htm - broken link).
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Old 07-17-2008, 10:50 PM
 
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Inciting emotion and fear in a populace is a good way to bend their will to get pretty much whatever you want.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Murphy, TX
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Inciting emotion and fear in a populace is a good way to bend their will to get pretty much whatever you want.
That is so true. I would laugh, but it actually VERY VERY SAD fact.
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Old 07-18-2008, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Easy to say its a waste because we have had no further attacks since 9/11. But had we responded by doing nothing or a small token response what would have happened? It would have made the terrorists more bold. Through out the 1990's they poked us with a stick and no real response resulted in 911. I am not for the war in Iraq. Read any of my posts on the topic. But no doubt about it, weak responses breed contempt.
We needed to beef up airport security and it was long over due. We need to beef up border security as well.
What we don't need to do is pisck countries at random who we think might support terror activity and attack them. By all means once we have proof drop the hammer. First we can place sanctions on those who we feel support terrorists. With or without the UN we are a huge consumer and the lack of our trade will hurt many.
First thing we need to do is look within and repair our own fences. Make our borders and airports air tight. Punish any domestic terrorists to the max of the law, and punish foreign terrorists who attack or attempt to attack US citizens to the max of our military ability. Message sent? Mess with this dog and you will get bit.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Murphy, TX
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Easy to say its a waste because we have had no further attacks since 9/11. But had we responded by doing nothing or a small token response what would have happened? It would have made the terrorists more bold. Through out the 1990's they poked us with a stick and no real response resulted in 911. I am not for the war in Iraq. Read any of my posts on the topic. But no doubt about it, weak responses breed contempt.
We needed to beef up airport security and it was long over due. We need to beef up border security as well.
What we don't need to do is pisck countries at random who we think might support terror activity and attack them. By all means once we have proof drop the hammer. First we can place sanctions on those who we feel support terrorists. With or without the UN we are a huge consumer and the lack of our trade will hurt many.
First thing we need to do is look within and repair our own fences. Make our borders and airports air tight. Punish any domestic terrorists to the max of the law, and punish foreign terrorists who attack or attempt to attack US citizens to the max of our military ability. Message sent? Mess with this dog and you will get bit.
The attack on Afghanistan may have been needed. However, thing is people still attack like Terrorist attack might happen anytime and a lot lives are being saved due war in Iraq and heck maybe Iran.

Fact, is I doubt a terrorist attack ever will kill over 40k killed in car accidents or even 18k killed homicide each year. I would except similar reaction from people, like stopping terrorism at least, to stop these high cause of American deaths. However, most people are all about stopping terrorist but could care less that 90k American die each year from other cause that CAN BE STOPPED. If people will go all out on stopping these causes too, I wouldn't be complaining. But they sure aren't.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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There are certain hazards with simply living life, i.e. driving a car or swimming in a pool. Those hazards come with the benefits (not walking to work, and cooling off on a hot summer day).

In addition, there are bad people out there who want our money or our possessions and will kill us to get it. Burglars, rapists, etc.

There are also some people who are stalked or hunted by someone who wants them dead for individual reasons. Many of us try to get along with people and live an upright life, being fair as much as possible, and avoid having people who hate us in that manner. This would logically prevent us from having enemies who want to kill us or our families.

But terrorists want to kill mass numbers of us, as many as possible, for no logical reason. So, being nice, and being fair, and keeping our noses clean does no good because these people hate us for the GOOD in our lives, not for anything we've done wrong.

That sense of being "hunted" is shared by many of us now, thanks to terrorists.
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Old 07-18-2008, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Cobb County, Georgia
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The attack on Afghanistan may have been needed. However, thing is people still attack like Terrorist attack might happen anytime and a lot lives are being saved due war in Iraq and heck maybe Iran.

Fact, is I doubt a terrorist attack ever will kill over 40k killed in car accidents or even 18k killed homicide each year. I would except similar reaction from people, like stopping terrorism at least, to stop these high cause of American deaths. However, most people are all about stopping terrorist but could care less that 90k American die each year from other cause that CAN BE STOPPED. If people will go all out on stopping these causes too, I wouldn't be complaining. But they sure aren't.
There are laws to help people survive car accidents, like always having to wear a seat belt, auto makers having to make the car safer, speed limits, dui's. There are no ways to protect individuals from becoming murdered by a spouse. Not sure if you watch the news but since 911 there have been more terrorist attacks and/or attempts. London train attack on the subway 2005. The Madrid train bombings 2004 and plenty of other times that attacks have been thwarted. (I guess these depend on rather you think they were the work of Al Qaeda or just islamist extremists) How would you plan to save anyone from suicide? or car accidents? or homicide by a spouse?

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Old 07-18-2008, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by unseengundam View Post
Everyone, including government, goes to much length (ton $$$ too) to fight Terrorism. However, the chance of getting by a terror attack is so less. A lot people did die (3000) due 9/11 and it was horrible incident no doubt. However, 100s of Americans die every due other causes, which don't get that much attention at all for some reason. I guess people thinks its so common for people die due these cause that they just don't care.

However, there is about 42,000 people killed each year due car accidents. People definitely can avoid those. Probably just stop all drunk drivers you and see probably atleast 5k Americans saved each year. Of course not much effort is put in there compared to catching terrorists, after people always moan and groan about traffic cops.

There is nice 18k Homicide rate each year. The police seem over worked and can't catch all the murders out there. I bet if can find some stats, you will be more likely killed by an angry spouse/lover than a terrorist! Another area where people don't seem mind the high rate of death. Of course I bet people will say there always will be crime ...

Also, there about 30k suicide each year. Again not so much of big deal at all there either.

There tons of other leading causes of death (like potential doctor error). Millions of American did due medical reason, often/most some are not curable. I and any other American are more likely die of these than a terrorist attack. Yet people & government insist on focus on the great terrorist threat and spends ton of money on it. If money and effort was spent into other area thousand of American could saved easily. A whole a lot than spending all the effort fighting terrorism. However, doubt anyone (or the Government) will want do that.

Have look at here http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_10.pdf and here Death Statistics Tables. Or just search online and you will about similar numbers as I do.

are you a terrorist lover or something? hopefully, nobody from your family will be affected by the next terrorist strike.
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