Bush & co trying to get around Roe v Wade (drugs, state)

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

Complete abstinence would be the only way it is 100% preventable. NO form of birth control prevents unwanted pregnancies 100% of the time. I've known people who've had tubal ligations and gotten pregnant, I've known men who've had vasectomies who've gotten unexpected news from their partners. It's rare, but possible. So I guess everyone who doesn't want children should just decide to never have sex again. Yep, that sounds like a workable plan.

Wow you know a lot of people who beat the odds by 100 miles. I'd be careful during lightning storms if I were you.
I am not a fan of paying for abortions either. I am more a fan of personal accountability. That said I can't change the world or the fact kids discover that they like to have sex.
I don't like that planned parenthood feels that its okay to pass out birthcontrol to minors and not tell the parents. Contrary to liberal beliefs parents have a right to know what medication, drugs are medical attention their child receives. Once 18 or out of the house its private.
Besides I struggle believing anything Nancy P says.

[karfar]

Originally Posted by lionking

Is there a need to?

Yes, what ban on weapons ownership are you talking about?

[tvdxer]

Originally Posted by newtoli

Did you read the article?

ACTUALLY - he is trying to restrict access to birth control. So all it will do is up the number of abortions you hate so much (must be easy being a guy and not ever having to have an unwanted pregnancy, eh?)

I don't want my tax money going to contraception, either, something I also believe is immoral.

[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by karfar

Yes, what ban on weapons ownership are you talking about?

You cant not know that its a common Democratic desire to create more gun control & scoff at a persons right or need to use a gun to protect themselves.

That said I'm fairly ambivilant about abortion. If people want to kill their children because it'll make their lives unbearable to have them, its just not my buisness & I dont care.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by Tin Knocker

You cant not know that its a common Democratic desire to create more gun control & scoff at a persons right or need to use a gun to protect themselves.

In all seriousness, I'd suggest that, without regard to party affiliation (if any), those who work for some sort of limits on guns are motivated far more by a belief that tens of thousands of annual firearms deaths and more than two hundred thousand annual fireams injuries are an awfully high price to be paying for these things than they are by some sadistic desire to scoff at the rights of those who choose to own guns. Indeed, gunowners could earn themselves a lot of good will if only they would recognize that, like all others, this right comes with responsibilities, and those responsibilities include that to pitch in with the process of trying to minimize the damage that firearms do to people on a daily basis. Instead, they tend blindly to oppose any such effort and reject any sort of limit as if the annual carnage and suffering caused by guns were perfectly alright with them. This creates an unfavorable parallel to rabid anti-abortionists, a group that senselessly opposes nearly every effort to reduce an unfortunately high incidence of abortion. There is a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. There is a Constitutional right not to be pregnant. We would still live in a better world if fewer people were killed or injured by firearms and if fewer abortions were performed. Why can't more progress be made toward these ends?

[NicoleJ]

Originally Posted by swagger

Do you have a link other than the Huffington Post? That site as as biased and untrustworthy as Kos or MoveOn.

And yet, it's 100% more trustworthy than Fox.

Google is your friend.

Clinton vows to fight insulting abortion plan | Reuters

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/19/op...ml?ref=opinion

ABC News: Birth Control Battle: Redefining Abortion?

Family Planning: Striking Plan B

Family planning groups object to abortion plan | Industries | Health & Drugs | Reuters

White House proposal gives health care workers choice in contraception, abortion treatment - ABC4.com

[karfar]

Originally Posted by Tin Knocker

You cant not know that its a common Democratic desire to create more gun control & scoff at a persons right or need to use a gun to protect themselves.

That said I'm fairly ambivilant about abortion. If people want to kill their children because it'll make their lives unbearable to have them, its just not my buisness & I dont care.

I'm uncertain as to how gun control is such a problem for all of you law-abiding citizens. Like I've said in the past, if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem exactly?

[crbcrbrgv]

Okay, let's look at this constitutionally. Abortion is currently a federal issue. If Roe V Wade were ever to be overturned, it would make abortion a state issue. Therefore, a state such as Illinois would never outlaw it while a state like Indiana probably would. Furthermore, if Bush passes this, he will have done so with a house and senate controlled by Democrats. Perhaps this is part of the reason Congress has a -230 approval rating?

[saganista]

Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv

Furthermore, if Bush passes this, he will have done so with a house and senate controlled by Democrats. Perhaps this is part of the reason Congress has a -230 approval rating?

Maybe learn the difference between a law and a rule...

[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by karfar

I'm uncertain as to how gun control is such a problem for all of you law-abiding citizens. Like I've said in the past, if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem exactly?

Just that thats NOT how a free society operates is all. Thats more like a Nazi Germany thing. Theres so much wrong with that attitude in a free country I cant believe you are serious.

But anyway, if a thing is constantly the focus of broader & more stringent legislation mostly brought on by frustration due to the fact that earlier liberal gun control has not had the desired effect it becomes obvious that public saftey is not a goal. Pacifying a clueless constituency is.

Theres alot I dont like about todays fake conservatives & Republicans. But as long as the bleeding heart liberal democlueless folks keep making gun control such a big issue I might not vote Republican but I damn sure am NEVER going to vote Democrat.

If Bush signs it he signs it. No biggie. Some day when a worthy Democrat crawls from under a rock somewhere that can get elected you all can switch it back. Sadly I believe this go round will se McCain in the whitehouse.