are teachers underpaid? (lawyers, revolution, companies, dollar)
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The amount of vacation time the average teacher has per year is about 4 months total, when you factor in summer break, winter break, and spring break. A teacher making $45k for 8 months of work is equal to a person in a different job making ~$67k for a year's worth of work, with a more "normal" vacation allotment like, say, 2 weeks.
$67k/year would probably be considered by most people to be a pretty good salary, especially for someone who only needs to obtain an undergraduate degree in order to hold the position. If you look at teachers' salaries in this perspective, it becomes more obvious (to me, at least) that teachers make a good living, when you consider all the time off they have.
Yes during those 8 months they usually have to work many hours after school let's out. I know some that during those months easily work enough to come close to the 960 hours for the 4 months they are off.
It's also relative. I someone say they do in jeresey...isn't the cost of living much more there also?
I think their 1 hour paid lunch and "free" period more than make up for the extra hours after work.
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Originally Posted by BigJon3475
yes during those 8 months they usually have to work many hours after school let's out. I know some that during those months easily work enough to come close to 960 hours for the 4 months they are off.
well first of all, I don't have any children, but how in the hell is that shallow and self centered?
I don't think it is self-centered at all. There are a lot of factors when choosing public or private institutions. How good is your current district? How much can you afford for private school? Are you religious? Do you want your kids potentially exposed to drugs? My cousins were exposed to drug users in middle school. The closest I ever got was exposure to pot in high school. They went to public school, I went to private school. I think I got a better education than they did and I feel like I am a more disciplined and respectful person than they are. Part of that also has to do with my parents. They sent me to private school because they wanted me to have a good, structured education and they were very involved in everything I did. There are many factors when choosing what type of school to send your kids to, it's not clear cut and I don't think people should be judged when they choose a certain type of school.
I do have one caveat to the above, though. I'm a little freaked out by homeschoolers. I think that in order to give a child proper education one should have a college degree and a license to teach, not just a stay at home mom who graduated from high school, got married right away, and started popping out the babies. Has anyone here seen Jesus Camp? It's very creepy and all of the little Evangelicals in it are homeschooled. At one point, the mom is teaching her two sons and they have to watch a movie entitled "Jurassic Ark" which is about creationism and then the mom says, "And what does science prove?" and the older boy says, "Science proves nothing." Those types of people give me the willies.
On another note, when I was deciding what career I'd like to have, so that I could choose an undergrad degree, I contemplated teaching...for about 5 minutes. Once I realized how little most teachers make (I'd rather work full-time and get paid more, than have 4 months off per year and get paid 2/3 as much), I decided on a more profitable career and went with engineering.
On that same note, there are probably a lot of people who've done what I did. I would've made a good teacher, but the vacation time wasn't worth the lower salary, so I chose not to become a teacher. I imagine there are probably many people who would make really good teachers, who ultimately choose other professions because they'd rather make more money. Using this information, one could logically assume that a good portion of people who become teachers, do so because they really want to teach, regardless of the pay. This may translate to a better crop of teachers who teach for the love of teaching.
You'd think this would be the case, but it still seems that there are a lot of lousy teachers out there who don't care all that much about actually teaching anything.
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They're not underpaid in NJ.
I agree with you on NJ teachers. They will start around $45K after college and could make up to $90K after 20-25 years in the district with still a free benefits from the state. And the most important after 3 years in the school district and getting tenure NJEA (New Jersey Education Association) #1 union in NJ will be always lobbying in Trenton for the members.
Kids start @ 7:30 am and get out @ 3:30.......they get home around 7/8 for two hours almost every night they catch up at home after 7/8 p.m.
And additionally teachers have to get there before kids and leave after for preparation and cleanup.
Plus during lunch and recess they have to supervise the kids, duh (aimed at the guy you quoted).
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