Iran Really DOES Have A Case For Nukes (interview, rating, election)

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by rb4browns

No need for me to be insulting. On that you are correct, my bad.

With regards to your military career, I stand by everything I've posted. Note how my request for you to simply back up your claims that you served in both in Gaza and the West bank with the IDF, and thus have some sort of special insight has been met with an attempt to spin it in to me questioning your entire career. And on top of that claiming your words are beyond question simply because you are a veteran.

Alas, as they say, "the wheels on the bus go round and round" as does this thread.

Sigh once again. I never claimed to have served in the field with the IDF. I said that I trained with them. One is not the same as the other. My combat experience comes from other fields of battle. Grenada, Gulf 1 and panama, to name a few. If these are not good enough to make me combat vet then oh well.

[rb4browns]

Originally Posted by tinman01

Sigh once again. I never claimed to have served in the field with the IDF. I said that I trained with them. One is not the same as the other. My combat experience comes from other fields of battle. Grenada, Gulf 1 and panama, to name a few. If these are not good enough to make me combat vet then oh well.

Here is your quote which I am calling you out on, these are your words from post #183 -

I have been to gaza and the west bank and in the field with the IDF have you?

So actually, yes, you claimed to have served in the field with the IDF and you seem to imply that service was both in Gaza and the West Bank.

I'm not questioning your combat experience, it's not relevant to our conversation. As I told you before I was raised in a military family and I am about as far from being an anti-military pinko as one is gonna find. What I am questioning, again, is your experience with the IDF and any special insight that gives you. But at this point really we're just dancing in circles and I'm not sure it means anything.

[rb4browns]

Originally Posted by saganista

You could simply have said that you have no intention of reconsidering in the light of any actual evidence what Ahmadinejad has been talking about in referring to the Palestinians and their claims against Israel. You could have said that even if it is a crude and distorted misrepresentation, you are content with with the caricature of his words and intentions that has been developed for you by a biased western media.

The repressive regime that was the Soviet Union has been wiped off the map. So, despite the seeming impossibility of the task at one time, have the brutal regimes of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and Saddam Hussein. Such, in the view of Ahmadinejad and many others, must be the the fate of the brutal Zionist regime in Jerusalem as the pages of history are turned.

We could also discuss whether Ahmadinejad's complaint is that the Holocaust itself is a myth, or that the myth that has been built up from whatever the events of the Holocaust has been unfairly used by the West to the extreme detriment of Palestinians, a group that was not in any way involved in the Holocaust and can therefore bear no responsibility for any part of it. But we already have a caricature from the western media built up on this account as well, so there is perhaps no need to bother.

No reference either to any pushing of Israel into the sea. I will continue to suspect that this one was pulled from another time and circumstance and attributed to Ahmadinejad simply because you felt like it.

Meanwhile, the current debate over Iran-US relations includes calls from some less acute quarters for military action. The risks of resort to military action on the basis of imagination rather than reality should still be fresh in our minds. If we are not willing to invest in an honest comprehension of reality, then exploitable imagination will be all that is left to us.

<shrug> Geez, you're right. All my Persian friends have the same "caricature from western media built up" too. I need to see the light and understand that Ahmandinajad is really a force for truth, peace and reconciliation. And Iran's nuclear program, even though they sit upon the largest natural gas fields in the world and have no need for nuclear energy, is only meant to make the world a more stable place. A place of brotherhood, friendship, love and rainbows.

That's why he funds Hezbollah...WHOOPS!

There I go again, resorting to my imagination. Forgive me kind sir, I know this is all a big misunderstanding but it will take me a while to cleanse my mind of such right wing propoganda. Hezbollah's arsenal of ketusha rockets are for firing kittens and chocolate chip cookies at Israel's cities to show the Jews, er, Zionists that they just want peace. And when they crossed Israel's borders and kidnapped (and ultimately murdered) those Israeli soldiers, why, they just wanted to take them to see a soccer match and drink ice cold coca-colas afterwards. What a gross overreaction by Israel to such warm, peaceful gestures. Funded and supported by Mr. Misunderstood himself.

I am such a big silly!

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by rb4browns

Here is your quote which I am calling you out on, these are your words from post #183 -

So actually, yes, you claimed to have served in the field with the IDF and you seem to imply that service was both in Gaza and the West Bank.

I'm not questioning your combat experience, it's not relevant to our conversation. As I told you before I was raised in a military family and I am about as far from being an anti-military pinko as one is gonna find. What I am questioning, again, is your experience with the IDF and any special insight that gives you. But at this point really we're just dancing in circles and I'm not sure it means anything.

Fair enough and I will try to explain. In the field training. Not shooting at live targets. Not allowed for us to get involved under Reagan in Israels internal problems as they were then. WE did excercises like house to house drills. We did excercises on how to find IED's look for bad guys mixed with non-combatants. Great excercises.
My bad and I should have explained it better. I believe that was a late night post for me.
I have been to gaza and the west bank. Not as field work per say. Simply on tour with our sponsers. They were showing us where battles took place how they handled given situations etc.
Rb we are not so far apart. We just disagree on the value of Israels friendship and on the moral high ground they claim. I have a great deal of respect for their abilities.

[Luiso]

Originally Posted by tinman01

Sigh once again. I never claimed to have served in the field with the IDF. I said that I trained with them. One is not the same as the other. My combat experience comes from other fields of battle. Grenada, Gulf 1 and panama, to name a few. If these are not good enough to make me combat vet then oh well.

SF used to teach jungle warfare school in Panama but the fort closed up Fort Serman .

I wonder where they teach it now

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by Luiso

SF used to teach jungle warfare school in Panama but the fort closed up Fort Serman .

I wonder where they teach it now

Not sure I have been out of the game since 91.
The army wasn't my branch all though we did joint training ops on occasion.
A direct result of the failed rescue mission of the hostages in Iraq.
J.O.B.S became a priority under Reagan and Bush senior.
In a nut shell we spoke a common language that had different meanings.
It was deemed that one of the causes of the disaster was that the 4 branches just did not work with each other enough to be able to work as a team when needed.

[Luiso]

I was just an E4 artillery but met lots SF thats why I asked thought you might know as SF travel the world.

I thought about SF but thinking and doing are very different and looking back on it would never have made it as lack of sleep would take me out fairly fast never mind the other parts of the school which would have taken me out to lol.

Not to mention easily worse shot in the military lol

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by Luiso

I was just an E4 artillery but met lots SF thats why I asked thought you might know as SF travel the world.

I thought about SF but thinking and doing are very different and looking back on it would never have made it as lack of sleep would take me out fairly fast never mind the other parts of the school which would have taken me out to lol.

Not to mention easily worse shot in the military lol

LOL every branch has their own schools. Although its common to cross train with each other we don't always make it to every school. I trained down in the swamps of Louisana. Yes it sucked.
I also trained in Florida, Va,Nevada,texas and a few others.
The neat thing about the training although simular it all had a different slant on the same job. One thing they had in common is enjoyment was not part of the driteria. And yes its common to go days without sleep.

[Luiso]

Lack of sleep was my enemy and I only felt it during boot camp and when I was overseas .

I need sleep lol wake up Mon for work at 8am but asleep by 10pm and I fall asleep RIGHT away lol .
10 hours sleep is common for me . Thats why kids are out of the question .

I went to Air Assault school in KY fort Campbell but that was the only school I went to thats just 2 weeks think 10 days now .
In my world sleep has priority over anything lol my GF isnt allowed over Sun to Thu past 6pm but considering she hasnt returned my calls this week I am not sure if still GF lol but sleep I LOVE .

Funny you say Florida as the Colombian army is here training now by the Everglades .

[saganista]

Originally Posted by rb4browns

I am such a big silly!

Yes, and I had for a while supposed otherwise. My bad on that one.