Iran Really DOES Have A Case For Nukes (Bush, Congress, Iraq)

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by k350

Oh yes, the missile defense, anyone figure out yet the purpose of it?

Why on earth did we develop a missile defense system "to protect Europe" but yet we have to negotiate and beg Europe to even let us put it there? Who in Europe ever even asked us to protect them?

The Euro missile defense is nothing more than an excuse for America to continue to spread its imperialism in any way it can and to insure the continuing of the foriegn policy of trying to be involved in every aspect of countries affairs.

Wouldn't help to put up the defense after a missile hits...

It's not all scare tactics you know prevention requires preparation.

[BigJon3475]

National debt and budget deficit are two different things.

The National debt is close to 10 trillion and it was created by Bush. It's been rising for a long time.

The GDP to debt ratio was for only a short time ago actually decreasing....the ratio is now increasing.

As it stands instead of looking at the word trillion...think of it like this to put it in perspective.

If the gov. were a individual and it made $100,000/year it would also have $66,000 or 66% of the income as debt.

I bet a lot of people have way worse ratios we can turn it around if they do something soon.

As it sits it goes up 1.74 billion a day....which is ever increasing.

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by doubbltunman

These are all great posts, I might add, but ahhhh, we are not planning to invade Iran because of some bull**** nuclear disarmament.

Have you all forgot Saddam's non existent "wmd's"? Nothing found, because we all know it was a lie to "we the people" and the world. Most of the world knew it was a lie, but it has taken Americans a 8 trillion deficit, $140 a barrel crude, $4+ gas, all goods across the board increased, and the American dollar's value declining. And the Bush/Cheney dynasty with their hands in everything. I think most Americans should have figured out the racquet.

The planning of the invasion of Iran, as Iraq, has nothing to do with wmd's or nukes. Both countries were/are not going to trade crude for U.S. dollar exchange. Iran wants/is to convert to the Euro, and also wants all of opec to follow. This very action would collapse the U.S. dollar overnight.

There were plenty of lies told. Mostly by Saddam,mussad and MI-6. CIA threw in a few as well. The prez as well as congress looked at the intel and made a guess. A bad guess as it turned out. The he lied to us line is getting old.
Fact after 911 america as in we the people wanted somebody's butt. We got it. We were right about afghanistan and wrong about Iraq.
There is no disputing that Iran supplies terrorist orgs with money and weapons. That too is a fact.
There is no denying that Israel exasperates an already volitile situation and with our blessing. That is a fact. It has been happening for over 50 years that is also a fact.
Keep voting for the same idiots who have piloted our ship aground and it will get much worse.

[bily4]

Originally Posted by k350

Oh yes, the missile defense, anyone figure out yet the purpose of it?

Why on earth did we develop a missile defense system "to protect Europe" but yet we have to negotiate and beg Europe to even let us put it there? Who in Europe ever even asked us to protect them?

The Euro missile defense is nothing more than an excuse for America to continue to spread its imperialism in any way it can and to insure the continuing of the foriegn policy of trying to be involved in every aspect of countries affairs.

Love your post. Absolutely correct, if Europe is in such danger they are being remarkably nonchalant. All our missile defense talk is doing is pissing off Russia and bringing back bad Cold War memories.

And the U.S, which is completely safe and already engaged on 2 major fronts, wants to stick the hand on the stove again and start attacking Iran for a hypothetical weapons program. After making sure Iraq could no longer do anything about it to keep them in check regionally.

We need to stop fighting other people's battles for them. When will we learn.

[KevK]

Originally Posted by doubbltunman

These are all great posts, I might add, but ahhhh, we are not planning to invade Iran because of some bull**** nuclear disarmament.

Have you all forgot Saddam's non existent "wmd's"? Nothing found, because we all know it was a lie to "we the people" and the world. Most of the world knew it was a lie, but it has taken Americans a 8 trillion deficit, $140 a barrel crude, $4+ gas, all goods across the board increased, and the American dollar's value declining. And the Bush/Cheney dynasty with their hands in everything. I think most Americans should have figured out the racquet.

The planning of the invasion of Iran, as Iraq, has nothing to do with wmd's or nukes. Both countries were/are not going to trade crude for U.S. dollar exchange. Iran wants/is to convert to the Euro, and also wants all of opec to follow. This very action would collapse the U.S. dollar overnight.

The US dollar is already "collapsed" and it will "collapse" even more after the Fed gets done printing up the trillions needed to bail out Fannie, Freddie and all the investment banks. Iran didn't cause that.

[doubbltunman]

Deek can explain it better than I. His newz is a little more entertaining than the tv. LOL


YouTube - RAPTURE FRENZY FOR ISRAEL IRAN SHOWDOWN

[BigJon3475]

They have two weeks to get back to the "six" or more sanction than the three already in place will be added.

[bentlebee]

If you don't understand why Israel is important to the US and other allies.....

The location is crucial and Israeli's are a hardworking population which you can't say for many countries surrounding Israel.

If the US loses Israel as their allies, that could be a disaster when Iran complete their nuke program. Not for nothing the Europeans are making heavier sanctions for Iran as even announced this week.

[jimhcom]

Originally Posted by KevK

The more I read and hear, the more I am coming around to Iran's point of view on several levels:

1. The EU and the USA, while being all bent out of shape about Iran's program never said a peep about Israel's secret program nor did they "harshly" punish India and Pakistan for theirs. In fact we cancelled the few sanctions we had in place against both nations. If you wish to ban nukes, be consistant about it!
2. Iran want to become a first world nation and has the absolute right to do so. The biggest thing that separates first world from third world nations is the development and enrichment of nukes.
3. Iran has no history of aggression against other countries. In fact they have been victimized by other nations attacking them or causing them trouble- including the UK and USA.

Man, you are seriously out of touch. This post shows lack of understanding of the fundamentalist Muslims in charge in Iran.

First, Israel does not have an agenda to control the Middle East or to radically and forcefully impose their religion, on the rest of the world. They possess Nukes to survive.

Second, the development on Nukes has nothing whatsoever to do with becoming a first world nation. Being a first world nation comes from having the culture that respects rights and laws and gaining the trust and respect of investors and trading partners. If your statement is true, North Korea must be a first world nation and Switzerland must be a third.

Third, since when is terrorism not aggressive? Iran is the most aggressive regime in the Middle East. They are involved in all types of subversive activities to undermine stability in the region. If Iran has Nukes it WILL lead to Nuclear War in the Middle East, because they will use them. These are not reasonable, rational people; they are radical, religious zealots who believe they can archive paradise by killing us and sacrificing themselves in the process.

Yea, let them have Nukes, that’s a good idea. You must have put hours of thought into that one.

[doubbltunman]

Originally Posted by bentlebee

If you don't understand why Israel is important to the US and other allies.....

The location is crucial and Israeli's are a hardworking population which you can't say for many countries surrounding Israel.

If the US loses Israel as their allies, that could be a disaster when Iran complete their nuke program. Not for nothing the Europeans are making heavier sanctions for Iran as even announced this week.

If the U.S. loses Israel as an ally, I could think of no better scenario! 80% of our problems in the middle east is the backing of Israhell and our foreign policies. Terrorism? The middle eastern countries had no problem with the U.S. until we backed Israel, and implemented our horrid "imperial" foreign policies on to them.