Iran Really DOES Have A Case For Nukes (Palestinian, Obama, speech)

[desertsun41]

Originally Posted by silas777

Kevk is coming around to Iran's point of view!
SHOCKING!!

Yea but he will never come around to figuring out what a loser Osalami is. Nothing changes his mind. Nothing.

But I will say he has some points in his argument on Iran.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by doubbltunman

If the U.S. loses Israel as an ally, I could think of no better scenario! 80% of our problems in the middle east is the backing of Israhell and our foreign policies. Terrorism? The middle eastern countries had no problem with the U.S. until we backed Israel, and implemented our horrid "imperial" foreign policies on to them.

Yup all those people that hate us will just go away...

I can't believe the US is so mean....

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

Wouldn't help to put up the defense after a missile hits...

It's not all scare tactics you know prevention requires preparation.

Then put the missile defense system in Turkey, Greece, or Bulgaria if the Middle East is such a threat.

If North Korean missiles were a threat, would you put a system in Australia to protect the US? No, and in fact the US put the system in Alaska.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

National debt and budget deficit are two different things.

At least you got that part right.

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

The National debt is close to 10 trillion and it was created by Bush. It's been rising for a long time.

It was not created by Bush. There was a national debt long before you were born.

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

The GDP to debt ratio was for only a short time ago actually decreasing....the ratio is now increasing.

The national debt isn't really relevant. It's money owed to the American people for services rendered. You're still paying off FDR's programs.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by Mircea

At least you got that part right.



It was not created by Bush. There was a national debt long before you were born.



The national debt isn't really relevant. It's money owed to the American people for services rendered. You're still paying off FDR's programs.

My bad I meant not...it's corrected now.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

National debt and budget deficit are two different things.

The National debt is close to 10 trillion and it was not created by Bush. It's been rising for a long time.

The GDP to debt ratio was for only a short time ago actually decreasing....the ratio is now increasing.

As it stands instead of looking at the word trillion...think of it like this to put it in perspective.

If the gov. were a individual and it made $100,000/year it would also have $66,000 or 66% of the income as debt.

I bet a lot of people have way worse ratios we can turn it around if they do something soon.

As it sits it goes up 1.74 billion a day....which is ever increasing.

....

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by Mircea

Then put the missile defense system in Turkey, Greece, or Bulgaria if the Middle East is such a threat.

If North Korean missiles were a threat, would you put a system in Australia to protect the US? No, and in fact the US put the system in Alaska.

Not sure what your refering to...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/wa...n/17gates.html

I'm talking about one that hasn't been put anywhere yet.

You don't think protecting Europe is a good idea?

[bily4]

Originally Posted by bentlebee

If you don't understand why Israel is important to the US and other allies.....

The location is crucial and Israeli's are a hardworking population which you can't say for many countries surrounding Israel.

If the US loses Israel as their allies, that could be a disaster when Iran complete their nuke program. Not for nothing the Europeans are making heavier sanctions for Iran as even announced this week.

They are "hard working." What an endorsement. What have we gotten back for our $100 Billion investment?

Nothing. They are leeches to American taxpayers.

[doubbltunman]

Originally Posted by bily4

They are "hard working." What an endorsement. What have we gotten back for our $100 Billion investment?

Nothing. They are leeches to American taxpayers.

$100 billion??
I've seen estimates of $3 trillion since 1948. Disgusting. Your absolutely right, nothing, no-thing, zilch, nada, 0. We the American people will never get anything for it. Isn't that lovely? Deep Deep Rabbit hole.

Oh, but we have! Terrorism! And hatred all over the world!

[bily4]

Originally Posted by doubbltunman

$100 billion??
I've seen estimates of $3 trillion since 1948. Disgusting. Your absolutely right, nothing, no-thing, zilch, nada, 0. We the American people will never get anything for it. Isn't that lovely? Deep Deep Rabbit hole.

Oh, but we have! Terrorism! And hatred all over the world!

The $100 Billion is easily documented. It is about $3 Billion a year over the last 30 years. And yet to tell us what exactly we get in return.

Anything at all? All they seem to be doing in the Middle East is antagonizing Arabs so we can come in later and rescue their asses.



Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having recently been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Over the years, Israel has developed an advanced industrial economy, which, according to the World Bank, places it among the top 40 richest nations in terms of per capita income.

In 1998, Israel proposed gradually eliminating the $1.2 billion economic aid and increasing the $1.8 billion in military aid by $60 million per year over a 10-year period beginning in the year 2000. Subsequent appropriations for Israel have included cuts of approximately $120 million in economic aid and increases of $60 million in military aid each fiscal year.

Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel's receiving benefits that may not be available to other countries. For example, Israel can use U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. In addition, all U.S. foreign assistance earmarked for Israel is delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year. Most other recipients normally receive their aid in staggered installments. The United States gives all Economic Support Funds (ESF) directly to the government of Israel as a cash transfer grant rather than allocating funds for specific development projects.

CRS: U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel - Council on Foreign Relations