Iran Really DOES Have A Case For Nukes (CNN, regime, revolution)

[lionking]

Equating the current middle east to WW2 is wrong IMO.Middle east nations are not expanding,they are not massing troops like WW2 Axis did.If anybody thinks Muslims,Iran,Iraq (was) a huge as threat as Nazis or Imperial Japan they are fear mongoring and using it as propaganda to incite.


If Iran or any Muslim country did attack another nation we might be justified in getting involved,but to do a pre-emptive strike or even worse another take over like Iraq might even turn it into a regional war.


Would we beat Iran,yeah assuming nobody else entered on their side like China did in Korea but to occupy would be a disaster just like Iraq and even though some say Iraq is a "fledgling Democracy" and I doubt it will succeed.

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by lionking

Equating the current middle east to WW2 is wrong IMO.Middle east nations are not expanding,they are not massing troops like WW2 Axis did.If anybody thinks Muslims,Iran,Iraq (was) a huge as threat as Nazis or Imperial Japan they are fear mongoring and using it as propaganda to incite.


If Iran or any Muslim country did attack another nation we might be justified in getting involved,but to do a pre-emptive strike or even worse another take over like Iraq might even turn it into a regional war.


Would we beat Iran,yeah assuming nobody else entered on their side like China did in Korea but to occupy would be a disaster just like Iraq and even though some say Iraq is a "fledgling Democracy" and I doubt it will succeed.

I am a big person in "learn from the past", things are shaping up like pre WWII, Germany was not supposed to have a standing army due to the treaty of Versailles. They secretly trained using tractors instead of tanks, and pilots discussed as "airline pilots" they built warplanes and tanks in Russia, and in 1938 Germany came out stating that they intend to rearm, less than a year later the world changed when Germany invaded Polland. There were calls from people all over the world that Germany was getting dangerous, and there were replies just like yours saying "ohh they wont hurt us", or " if we leave them alone they wont do anything" Well, Japan did something, there is an article in a news paper three days, yes three days before the bombing that was written by a journalist stating that Japan would never attack us, they were more interested in getting oil and resources in the Philippines. Guess he was a bit wrong huh?

there were even people after WWII saying things just like you have at the end of your post. Germany will never survive on its own, Japan is not going to make it. Well again, wrong!

[BigJon3475]

Well then you would have the other side which would prefer them to succeed the optimist...

The pessimist wants everyone to fail so they can always be right..

If all the sanctions fail for Iran the leadership will be removed. they know the consequences. It's not us saying it the UN SC...and germany.

[BigJon3475]

Iran will not turn their cheek at the rest of the world and have a secret nuclear program no matter for power or war...Everyone else has to follow the rules what makes Iran special?

[city414]

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

LOL. Yeah, Israel's "neighbors" have never attacked her or threatened her existence on a daily basis or housed terrorist murderers in squalid camps. You need to read a little history. Look up 1948, 1967, and 1973.



Both major party Presidential candidates disagree strongly with you. But heck -- someone who agrees with you should feel free to enter the race. I could see them getting a lot of pro-Hezbollah and neo-Nazi votes.

so your saying that isreal orhe creation of that state never caused any problems.ic and wait til mexico creates an extension on top of U.S soil and see if it will cause problems

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by city414

so your saying that isreal orhe creation of that state never caused any problems.ic and wait til mexico creates an extension on top of U.S soil and see if it will cause problems

No, I'm saying that if Israel had been allowed to live in peace as the UN mandate of 1948 stipulated, there would have been no wars. Unfortunately, the Arabs have repeatedly refused to live in peace, and have attacked -- and been defeated -- repeatedly by Israel, which refuses to let its people be exterminated a la Hitler.

Your Mexico/US analogy is irrelevant, since the Palestinians rejected the UN mandate establushing their state in 1948 next to Israel. However, what you speculate on is already de facto comng to pass. Haven't you heard of "aztlan"?

What is Aztlan, Raza, and MEChA

[lionking]

Originally Posted by Noahma

I am a big person in "learn from the past", things are shaping up like pre WWII, Germany was not supposed to have a standing army due to the treaty of Versailles. They secretly trained using tractors instead of tanks, and pilots discussed as "airline pilots" they built warplanes and tanks in Russia, and in 1938 Germany came out stating that they intend to rearm, less than a year later the world changed when Germany invaded Polland. There were calls from people all over the world that Germany was getting dangerous, and there were replies just like yours saying "ohh they wont hurt us", or " if we leave them alone they wont do anything" Well, Japan did something, there is an article in a news paper three days, yes three days before the bombing that was written by a journalist stating that Japan would never attack us, they were more interested in getting oil and resources in the Philippines. Guess he was a bit wrong huh?

there were even people after WWII saying things just like you have at the end of your post. Germany will never survive on its own, Japan is not going to make it. Well again, wrong!

maybe I'm dense but I still don't see the similarities of the Nazi's,Imperial Japan and the current Arab/Muslim nations.

What are the Arab/Muslim nations doing that is similiar to the Axis of WW2?The Axis were interested in conquering resources and territory.Do you think a middle east nation would use a nuke to do the same?Do you think they would nuke a American city just because they can?

Am I saying it is ok for them to have nukes?No what Im saying is use thought to how we challenge them because even the biggest badest military will never win to insurgents/guerilla fighters..........

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by lionking

maybe I'm dense but I still don't see the similarities of the Nazi's,Imperial Japan and the current Arab/Muslim nations.

What are the Arab/Muslim nations doing that is similiar to the Axis of WW2?The Axis were interested in conquering resources and territory.Do you think a middle east nation would use a nuke to do the same?Do you think they would nuke a American city just because they can?
Am I saying it is ok for them to have nukes?No what Im saying is use thought to how we challenge them because even the biggest badest military will never win to insurgents/guerilla fighters..........

A war is not what I am comparing, the actions pre WWII is what I am comparing too. I never said that military action is required, but it may be necessary within our near future, just as it was in WWII. The comparison fits more with pre WWII Germany than with Japan, I was using Japan as an example of how within 3 days of the pearl harbor attack people were still claiming that Japan was of no threat, and that we should not pay attention to what they were doing.

I do not take the threats by Iran to push Israel back into the sea, and destroy her Allys as a light humored threat. I do think if they had a nuke at this point that they very well might use it.

Look up the president if Iran's views on religion, and the rest of his fellow 12ers. They believe covering the world with blood will start the return of Ala. Now combine that with his development of nuclear weapons, his threats of destroying several nations (not just Israel and America) and you have a stew for disaster.

[Rathagos]

I can't believe all the freak responses that actually support this rhetoric!! I thought societal decline was primarily based on the increase in criminal activity prevalent throughout the U.S., but know I know it's the thoughts of the population that not only support ideas like this and more that lead me to wonder how long until they want to change the name of U.S. to Iranian Annexed States?!?!

Originally Posted by KevK

1. The EU and the USA, while being all bent out of shape about Iran's program never said a peep about Israel's secret program nor did they "harshly" punish India and Pakistan for theirs. In fact we cancelled the few sanctions we had in place against both nations. If you wish to ban nukes, be consistant about it!

Well... let's start with none of those countries are run by people who don't actually look at blowing themselves up as next to godliness!!! They actually value life.

Originally Posted by KevK

2. Iran want to become a first world nation and has the absolute right to do so. The biggest thing that separates first world from third world nations is the development and enrichment of nukes.

The primary distinguishing feature between first and third world countries deals with economies. Industrialization and technological capabilities also plays a part in labeling a country as first, second, or third world. The fact that countries have nucs plays no part in it at all other than they have the money and technology to develop them.

Originally Posted by KevK

3. Iran has no history of aggression against other countries. In fact they have been victimized by other nations attacking them or causing them trouble- including the UK and USA.

Okay... I'm needing a history refresher... when did we ever attack Iran? Oh... you meant causing them trouble. Not like Iran mining the Arabian Gulf. Not like them supporting illegal smuggling in the Gulf. I forgot how innocent they were in 1979 when they stormed the embassy and took American hostages for over 1 year... that must have blinded me to what great people their government officials are (since we aren't talking about populations).

I have a great idea.... if they're such great guys and we're the bad guys... MOVE TO IRAN!!!

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

No, I'm saying that if Israel had been allowed to live in peace as the UN mandate of 1948 stipulated, there would have been no wars. Unfortunately, the Arabs have repeatedly refused to live in peace, and have attacked -- and been defeated -- repeatedly by Israel, which refuses to let its people be exterminated a la Hitler.

Your Mexico/US analogy is irrelevant, since the Palestinians rejected the UN mandate establushing their state in 1948 next to Israel. However, what you speculate on is already de facto comng to pass. Haven't you heard of "aztlan"?

What is Aztlan, Raza, and MEChA

What he said, with an exclamation point!

Well stated, better than I could have stated the sentiment.