Democrats solution to an ailing economy - increase gas tax (McCain, gallon)

[silas777]

The Democrat party and its sympathetic media, have been the pied pipers of doom and gloom, talking ,wishing, hoping and praying for a recession and now that it looks like their rain dance is coming to fruition what is their remedy............. RAISE TAXES! On what? GAS!! FOXNews.com - Lawmakers Could Consider Gas Tax Hike, After Gas Tax Holiday Fails - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum Can the American people possibly, be that gullible?

[ViewFromThePeak]

Originally Posted by silas777

The Democrat party and its sympathetic media, have been the pied pipers of doom and gloom, talking ,wishing, hoping and praying for a recession and now that it looks like their rain dance is coming to fruition what is their remedy............. RAISE TAXES! On what? GAS!! FOXNews.com - Lawmakers Could Consider Gas Tax Hike, After Gas Tax Holiday Fails - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum Can the American people possibly, be that gullible?

Maybe taking off the "media did this to me" tin foil hat and cancelling your appointments to attend Tony Robbins' seminars on "how to improve an economy by simply feeling good about it" would help?

I agree low taxes would help but how is Bush/Paulson's blatantly socialist bailout of Fannie/Freddie (that McCain supports btw) fit into your Democrat demonizing strategy?

[silas777]

Originally Posted by ViewFromThePeak

Maybe taking off the "media did this to me" tin foil hat and cancelling your appointments to attend Tony Robbins' seminars on "how to improve an economy by simply feeling good about it" would help?

I agree low taxes would help but how is Bush/Paulson's communist bailout of Fannie/Freddie (that McCain supports btw) fit into your Democrat demonizing strategy?

Like the old saying goes "Misery loves company"! No thanks! You obviously didnt read the link! Bail out of freddie/fannie is ridiculous, a little disengenuise for a democrat apologist to criticize, but has nothing to do with this topic, why dont you start a thread on it and i'll jump in on it!

[ViewFromThePeak]

Originally Posted by silas777

Like the old saying goes "Misery loves company"! No thanks! You obviously didnt read the link! Bail out of freddie/fannie is ridiculous, a little disengenuise for a democrat apologist to criticize, but has nothing to do with this topic, why dont you start a thread on it and i'll jump in on it!

So, "misery loves company". Well, if you want to base the economy on analogies like that quote, I won't stop you.

Just keep smiling and the economy will be great! Well, it sounds good to people who don't understand economics.

I also don't read from the Three Stooges' websites (cnn, msnbc, or fox)

[silas777]

Originally Posted by ViewFromThePeak

So, "misery loves company". Well, if you want to base the economy on analogies like that quote, I won't stop you.

Just keep smiling and the economy will be great! Well, it sounds good to people who don't understand economics.

I also don't read from the Three Stooges' websites (cnn, msnbc, or fox)

Gotcha! your content being an ignorant antognist, dont remember any of your post's but just based on your tone and attitude I am going to guess your a bitter ronpaulinista.

[HubbleRules]

A gas-tax holiday as proposed by the Republicans is nothing but a gimmick - it does absolutely nothing to fix the underlying problem - which is the impending end to cheap oil. In fact, a gax-tax holiday is meant to make voters think that something is being done when the proposed solution only exacerbates the problem. In fact, gas taxes need to be raised if anything to decrease demand- then put the extra revenue into alternative fuel sources (hydrogen, fuel cells, nuclear power, fusion power), improve mass transit, and do do some more drilling. But don't be foolish and think we can drill our way out of this energy problem. Anyone who tells you that is selling snake-oil.

Seems the only montra Republicans have is 'lower taxes'. Well, this is one upper-middle-class taxpayer who has not seen a nickle of reduced taxes from Republican tax policy over the last 3 decades, and is tired and pissed off when then bring this dead horse out and try to give it another ride. They must really think the public is stupid.

I don't think they are, and believe Republicans will suffer a very big defeat at all levels in November.

HubbleRules

[silas777]

Originally Posted by HubbleRules

A gas-tax holiday as proposed by the Republicans is nothing but a gimmick - it does absolutely nothing to fix the underlying problem - which is the impending end to cheap oil. In fact, a gax-tax holiday is meant to make voters think that something is being done when the proposed solution only exacerbates the problem. In fact, gas taxes need to be raised if anything to decrease demand- then put the extra revenue into alternative fuel sources (hydrogen, fuel cells, nuclear power, fusion power), improve mass transit, and do do some more drilling. But don't be foolish and think we can drill our way out of this energy problem. Anyone who tells you that is selling snake-oil.

Seems the only montra Republicans have is 'lower taxes'. Well, this is one upper-middle-class taxpayer who has not seen a nickle of reduced taxes from Republican tax policy over the last 3 decades, and is tired and pissed off when then bring this dead horse out and try to give it another ride. They must really think the public is stupid.

I don't think they are, and believe Republicans will suffer a very big defeat at all levels in November.

HubbleRules

Raising taxes in general is a bad idea, raising taxes on the very thing "fuel" that has put our economy in a downturn is just downright insanity!

[Majordomo]

Originally Posted by HubbleRules

A gas-tax holiday as proposed by the Republicans is nothing but a gimmick - it does absolutely nothing to fix the underlying problem - which is the impending end to cheap oil. In fact, a gax-tax holiday is meant to make voters think that something is being done when the proposed solution only exacerbates the problem. In fact, gas taxes need to be raised if anything to decrease demand- then put the extra revenue into alternative fuel sources (hydrogen, fuel cells, nuclear power, fusion power), improve mass transit, and do do some more drilling. But don't be foolish and think we can drill our way out of this energy problem. Anyone who tells you that is selling snake-oil.

We should not increase gas taxes with our weak economy. We can't tax and subsidze our way out of this problem. I'm sure most people know we can't drill our way out of this problem either. We will still take advantage of alternative sources of energy. I don't see a problem with allowing oil companies to explore our country to find useful reserves. We should diversify to meet our energy needs.

[HubbleRules]

Originally Posted by silas777

Raising taxes in general is a bad idea, raising taxes on the very thing "fuel" that has put our economy in a downturn is just downright insanity!

What is truly insane is perpetuating a situation where our country's economy is dependent upon foreign oil - some from some places where the governments and people hate us and wish us ill.

If you want to get off oil, it has to be expensive enough for people to seek alternative sources, and to demand a Manhattan-Project effort to explore the top 2 or 3 alternatives to oil. I think we passed the 'pain threshhold' when gas hit $4 per gallon.

A tax-holiday is a totally stupid idea - it just makes the problem worse but makes people feel a little better temporarily - and then - WHAMMM- one hell of a payback period for being stupid earlier on.... Sounds like the Republican philosophy since Reagan to me....

If you want to solve the energy problem, write or call your representative and ask for more money for mass-transit, much more research into Fusion and Hydrogen power, more nuclear plants, and some investment in renewable sources - but nothing as stupid and totally insane as Ethanol from a food source (corn) - that has to be the bonehead decision of the 21st century - I wonder which Bush Buddies are getting filthy rich on that one.

Oil resources are limited and with China and India rapidly increasing their demand, I don't care where you drill, you won't keep up with demand. Eventually the cheap oil days will end and if we don't start working now on transforming ourself from an oil-dependent economy, then we will really be screwed 15-20 years from now.


HubbleRules

[NewToCA]

I wouldn't have a serious problem with raising the tax on gas a little if the money was fully dedicated towards standing up new nuclear, solar, wind and geothermal generation capabilities.

However, I'm sure the money would instead be spent on other items, or wasted on contracts with questionable deliverables (much like the current DoD weapons contracts fiasco).

So no, I'm against it.