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I wouldn't go to that extreme... BUT they need to rethink the leniency in which they do rate the movies with... I think they are a very good guideline to go by... but they are not exactly accurate.
The rating system is subjective at best - and always will be IMO.
Regardless of ANY rating system - it comes down to parental control. Its entirely up to the parent to investigate the movies their children want to see and then make the decision if they, the parent, will let their children see them or not.
The rating system is subjective at best - and always will be IMO.
Regardless of ANY rating system - it comes down to parental control. Its entirely up to the parent to investigate the movies their children want to see and then make the decision if they, the parent, will let their children see them or not.
cjma, changing your tune from it's okay to let my kids act out in a restaurant because I'm paying for it, are you.
That's not what you've been saying up to now. Until this it was I'll do what I want and everyone else can pound salt.
rayne, I'm glad that some parents have consideration for others and serve as a reminder to all of us that there are good parents out there. Keep it up.
I am not changing my tune,,, I always said if the child is creaming is normal.. but that doesnt mean if the child is creaming for 2 hours of dinner time...
But you people want to banded children from rest.. something that you cant do..
And if someone has a 2-3 yo in a rest. and dont take the child out, that is their problem not yours...
Its amazing how people in this world are so noisy ....who gives a flying s*** what any kid or parent want to watch or eat at what restaurant...its not your kid and you are not the parent so you shouldnt worrie about others.Now if a nice restautrant wants to let kids is then thats on them NOT YOU ....i think people now and days just worrie 2 much about others ,life is too short to be all up in someones business.....
I am not changing my tune,,, I always said if the child is creaming is normal.. but that doesnt mean if the child is creaming for 2 hours of dinner time...
But you people want to banded children from rest.. something that you cant do..
And if someone has a 2-3 yo in a rest. and dont take the child out, that is their problem not yours...
I have to agree with this... The dining establishment should not ban children from dining there... seriously- do you know how many customers they would lose? It is the parents responsibility to control the child... not the owners. And, he is right... it isn't any other person's problem... if you don't like it go eat somewhere else. I have left places if I didn't like what was going on around me- I have a simple rule I live by... You only have the power to change your own behaviors... not others. This rule has taken me through many a church service, dining experience, playdate, movie night... if you don't like it either suck it up or leave... I myself remove my children if they are misbehaving (or, as with the movie experience- they are scared out of their wits and crying)... but not all people are as curteous... again you can only check yourself... if they are not bright enough to use their judgement and leave, or if they know the kdis is crabby to begin with, then that was their bad luck and now they have to hurry up, eat their food, pay and get the kid out of there... that is what they are thinking... If it effects you, that is unfortunate... but you can't change other people's behaviors... the sooner people realize this the better off everyone will be.
When the developer Steve Wynn built the Bellagio Hotel Casino in Las Vegas, he established a somewhat unique policy that had not been done before - if you were checking in with a "child" (under 18), you were charged an additional $300.00 per child per night.
Also, if you were merely visiting the property, you could not bring a child with you - and there was a dress code.
oh, I beg to differ...you can absolutely train a 2 year old?
NO you cant.. you can train some things,, not a natural reaction of temper tantrums...
Who is the parent here? People used to comment on how well trained my son was at that age...
Again every child is different, maybe it was the child and not your parenting(not saying that you were a bad parent..)
if you don't have your child under control by the time they are 5 years old,
Ah, now you are changing things.. Like I said,,2-3 yo,, not 5 yo.. at 5 is a different story...
that is pretty much how they are going to be, as that is a very crucial time period to train and make them listen. And temper tantrums no matter the age of the child...is wrong and allowing them, is bad parenting....especially in a public establishment where adults are paying to have a nice evening out.
I guess the people that nows about the subject(peds and psychologist) are wrong in the subject by saying that temper tantrums are normal at 2-3 of age..
Children can be trained at home, right at the table while eating, but some parents are to tired from working all day to want to deal with dicipline.
Again it depends on the age of the child..
Also, when both parents are working, someone else is raising your most children today...and generally those people in day care, do not have the time to devote to one child, so some manners go unchecked.
That is true.. and false.. actually new research are coming out that children in daycares behaved better.
Children are, to me, delightful gifts from God...and the legacy of love...we learn from them, grow with them...but, in the same, we must assume responsiblility for them. Which includes discipline.
Yes,,, it is,, but everybody understand that a baby or a toddler is a baby or a toddler...
I have, as I commented before, many wonderful children out in public and in up scale resturants who behave admirably, which speaks volumns about the devotion their parents are giving them.....
and the age please...Like I said before if they are 7-8 is a different story...
but on occassion and in stores, doctors offices, R RATED MOVIES, and evening movies, etc....I have seen my share of really bad kids...who act out with temper tantrums,
that is normal behavior for a 2-3 yo.. look it up...
b/c they cannot get their way. Those kids are not enjoyable...and also speak volumns about their parents.
No it doesnt,, again depending on the age...
If I see the parents get up and walk out with their child, then I highly commend them....for caring about the personal space of others. Not everyone in the resturant, have a high tollerance for a noisy kid. Some people are older patrons...who are no longer associated with children and should not be expected to tollerate them.
They are part of society,,including the kids and the older people they have to tollerate society. Rest. are not for the older people along,,
It is about using good common sense, and good parenting skills. I have vowed, after reading some of these comments, that from now on, when I'm out in public, at a doctors office, movies, whatever....and someone's kids are screaming and running around, I'm going straight to management.
That is not going to work,, trust me... I know, I have seen it,, people come to me and ask me if I can do something about it.. I just have to say this hospital cant BY LAW reject anybody... AND THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
I will, assume, that the parents, if they are so unconcerned with the rights of others,
That the problem,, when you are in public setting you dont have the right of silence... I am sorry,,, that right doesnt exist. Find a law that say you have that right???
then, they would certainly not be easy to talk to....about the situation. But if I'm in a doctors office or dentists office, I don't expect to have kids running around and bumping into me.
If a doctor with his private office demands something from his patients, especially to leave the office because of their kids, he will get sued.. In the other way around you cant sue him for a the action of others...
There is no reason, why parents cannot teach their kids to sit still.
you cant teach that to a 2-3 yo... you can to an older kid like 6-7...
When I had to take my son to the doctors...he sat quietly on my lap...period.
And his age please??
Or in the chair next to me...period. And if he became unruly, we went outside.
Oh so he became unruly???? so he wasnt perfect little child was he???
But he was told at 2 years old....you are going to sit here quietly and that's it. In a very stern voice. Children can be trained.
Yes they can,,, but at 2-3 is hard and it doesnt work as well with older kids(you must understand this). and like you said your kid somethings became unruly.
When he first started crawing is when I started telling him NO. And if he didn't listen, he learned he had to sit in a chair. It worked beautifully.
yeah, ok...how did he learned by telling him no, or screaming or hitting???
But, parents today, think their kids need to have free rein...???? Which never ceases to amaze me.
that is not what parents think,, some may....
No child should be in an R rated movie, period.
that is true, but since no law requires it,, and no law should require it... they have the right, I wouldnt take them to the movies, and I always go to the 12pm or 2-3 pm movie, when is empty or with others family... not at 9 pm
There is enough disrespect in the world today, without teaching our little ones it's ok to speak those 4 letter words.
4 letter word???
And shame on anyone who thinks it's ok.
Again is not my opinion that is important, is the rights of the parents... What I think or you is irrelevant
I have to agree with this... The dining establishment should not ban children from dining there... seriously- do you know how many customers they would lose? It is the parents responsibility to control the child... not the owners.
The owners can do anything they want, and YES, it is their responsibility to offer a comfortable dining experience to everyone they ALLOW to enter their establishment. I think its more ridiculous to ban people due to dress code than it is to potentially noisy children, don't you? ... by eliminating children they would probably gain a larger, classier customer base which equates to more revenue. I wouldn't expect a greasy spoon to reject children but perhaps a nice steak house would be a start.
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And, he is right... it isn't any other person's problem... if you don't like it go eat somewhere else. I have left places if I didn't like what was going on around me- I have a simple rule I live by... You only have the power to change your own behaviors... not others. This rule has taken me through many a church service, dining experience, playdate, movie night... if you don't like it either suck it up or leave... I myself remove my children if they are misbehaving (or, as with the movie experience- they are scared out of their wits and crying)... but not all people are as curteous... again you can only check yourself... if they are not bright enough to use their judgement and leave, or if they know the kdis is crabby to begin with, then that was their bad luck and now they have to hurry up, eat their food, pay and get the kid out of there... that is what they are thinking... If it effects you, that is unfortunate... but you can't change other people's behaviors... the sooner people realize this the better off everyone will be.
So I need to get up and leave half way through my meal because a brat pack just strollered on in???? I won't leave... they will be turned away, thats how it should be. When you pay for a meal at a restaurant most of that bill is going towards the environment and setting of where you are at. That part of the service is expected to be maintained as equally as the quality of the food. I want everything I pay for... if the restaurant is loud and annoying upon arrival I will leave but it should not even have to be like that.
Exactly WTF are you talking about? Are you accusing ME of breaking TOS?
did I said that no,, just like you didnt say that,,
I am sick to death of your endless insinuations of same against anyone who disagrees with your POV.
Everybody has the right to disagree.. is a free country, and I have the same right to disagree with you dont I???
Continually crying foul for no reason is beginning to look like harassment.
Really,
My comment was aimed at--you guessed it--NO ONE IN PARTICULAR.
It was AIMED AT EVERYBODY THAT TAKES THEIR CHILDREN TO REST...
Oh and my comment wasnt aimed at you it was aimed at you in particular...
It had everything to do with people I have DIRECTLY OBSERVED. My goodness, that simply could NOT be anyone who posts on this forum, mmkay? Got it? Maybe this will help:
Great..
I cannot believe this! I think it is wrong to subject children to inappropriate forms of entertainment.
I agree, but still it is not illegal...
Taking them to an R Rated movie is just not ethical.
Also not all R rated movie have sex in them..
A parent should view something of that nature themselves, prior to subjecting their children to it...
True.
I have a four and five year old and I learned this lesson with even a rating of PG... I took them to a park in our area that was viewing free movies at night... it was a popular movie that got great reviews... My kids were very excited for the experience- not just the movie but being outside in the park for the viewing... but it was so scary that my youngest was in tears and my oldest had to cover her eyes... we left about 1/4 of the way through when things really got creepy... for their sanity and that of the viewers around us. I think that the ratings have become much more lenient...
Yes, they have. and you did the right thing.
what was once PG 13 when i was a kid is now PG... PG is now G... My husband took our girls to see College Road Trip a few months back...a movie with Raven (who my oldest child likes her show) THAT movie was rated G! I think something must not only be done to ward off the parents from bringing thier children to such R Ratings, but to rate the movies more appropriately... so people, like myself, don't think that a PG movie is going to freak the jabeepers out of my kids... The whole system needs reassessment.
I dont know, I havent seen that movie. But went to see Wall-E, nice movie, even for adults.
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