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Old 02-04-2007, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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What I love about the issue of gay adoptions is the mindset of the "Scranton Effect," which is summarized by "They'll turn the kids gay too!"

I was raised in a very Conservative, narrow-minded household. My parents are both on church council, and my father is probably the only Bush supporter in our entire subdivision, judging by the abundance of Kerry/Edwards and "Bush Must Go" signs during the 2004 election. My dad is the "huntin' and fishin'" type, and my mother is the "brainwashed, repressed" type who hasn't been allowed to form her own political beliefs and has instead relied on my dad to pretty much tell her what to think on political issues. Nevertheless, even in this ultra-straight environment, I turned out to be gay. Who's to say that the adopted products of Liberal gay/lesbian parents won't be straight by the same reasoning? I just don't get it. Are people across the nation that uneducated and idiotic, or is it just, truly, the "Scranton Effect?"
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Old 02-04-2007, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Good point...I hope we are not still arguing that people can't "catch" gay??? I think it's become widely accepted that sexuality is nature, not nurture.
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Old 02-04-2007, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Comunistafornia, and working to get out ASAP!
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Good point...I hope we are not still arguing that people can't "catch" gay??? I think it's become widely accepted that sexuality is nature, not nurture.
No matter how anyone tries to package or sugar coat it, the point is it's still wrong, a perversion, and a blight on America. It will never be accepted (period)
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Old 02-04-2007, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Journey's End
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Actually, while you may not accept it, I do, and more people are beginning to understand that it is not a perversion, and certainly not an American issue, but a human issue.

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No matter how anyone tries to package or sugar coat it, the point is it's still wrong, a perversion, and a blight on America. It will never be accepted (period)
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Old 02-04-2007, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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It's only a perversion because people are TAUGHT that it's a perversion...by society, by parents, by lots of things you see and hear. If you had been taught that it was natural instead of a perversion, the argument wouldn't be necessary. All gay people go through the same issue, because we're taught that it's perverse just like anyone else...so we have to get thru all the guilt and shame before we realize that we're okay - that it's natural to be attracted to someone of the same sex. It's not natural for you Marks, but there is no need to label it a blight or a perversion. You worry about your yard, I'll worry about mine.
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Old 02-04-2007, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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What I love about the issue of gay adoptions is the mindset of the "Scranton Effect," which is summarized by "They'll turn the kids gay too!"

I was raised in a very Conservative, narrow-minded household. My parents are both on church council, and my father is probably the only Bush supporter in our entire subdivision, judging by the abundance of Kerry/Edwards and "Bush Must Go" signs during the 2004 election. My dad is the "huntin' and fishin'" type, and my mother is the "brainwashed, repressed" type who hasn't been allowed to form her own political beliefs and has instead relied on my dad to pretty much tell her what to think on political issues. Nevertheless, even in this ultra-straight environment, I turned out to be gay. Who's to say that the adopted products of Liberal gay/lesbian parents won't be straight by the same reasoning? I just don't get it. Are people across the nation that uneducated and idiotic, or is it just, truly, the "Scranton Effect?"
I saw a gay comedian doing stand-up (on TV) recently, and they made a joke about that... it went something like, "thanks to the straight couples, for giving us more gay people!" That's the silliest part, that homosexuals come from straight parents (aside from certain situations, like my lesbian friends who got the sperm of a gay male to make their daughter ). So really, the homophobes should blame all straight unions for the continuing "gay trend" - LOL! If every single gay person disappeared tomorrow, we'd just have to welcome a new generation in a few years... and obviously it's 100% possible for ANY parent to produce one.
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Old 02-04-2007, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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I wish more non-gay folks who support gay marriages would speak up. I know there are a lot of people out there who aren't gay and maybe aren't even that comfortable with the subject, but are intelligent and understand the discrimination and injustice involved in denying marriage rights to same sex couples. More and more of straight America is starting to get behind marriage rights for everyone, it's just a matter of time.
Amen. Come out here to San Francisco, and you'll be hard-pressed to find a straight person who DOESN'T support gay marriage! My ex-boss told me something funny once - she has a friend who's a gay Republican, and he said people give him much more crap about being Republican... gotta love the Bay Area.

If votes on this issue were left to each county, rather than the entire state, it would already be legal here (it was rejected on a ballot once, but only because of the non-SF & LA residents). When we're rid of Ahhnold, the next Governor will likely make sure it finally gets legalized statewide.
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Old 02-04-2007, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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No matter how anyone tries to package or sugar coat it, the point is it's still wrong, a perversion, and a blight on America. It will never be accepted (period)
That's YOUR opinion, which obviously many do not share - thank goodness. Everyone has their own idea of what's "perverted", which is our right, but that shouldn't have anything to do with governmental laws. Do you know what every straight couple does in their bedroom? Because I'm sure if you did, there would be lots of "perverted" acts to comment on... For instance, it's not uncommon these days for straight couples to have a threesome, which usually includes same-sex intimacy. How do you feel about that? Should people who practice this act be banned from marriage too??
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:21 AM
 
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I once read a article about a couple who adopted a black young boy,they cared for him well,seemed to install good ethical beliefs in him,made sure he went school,the couple also said in the article that they would have their kid spend a certain amount of time with female friends of theirs because they said they though it was important to have a female role model involved in the boys life as well.Seems to me they had the best in mind for the boy,much like most parents do.Im have faith the boy will grow up to be a good citizen.
I think most gay parents (along with single parents) realize it is good for kids to have a role model of the opposite sex.
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Old 02-05-2007, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Comunistafornia, and working to get out ASAP!
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Again, no matter how anyone tries to package or sugar coat it, the point is it's still wrong, a perversion, and a blight on America. It will never be accepted (period) Y'all will just need to understand that. And believe me you will if not in this life then in the next.
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