Why do you republicans hate unions (NAFTA, wages, salaries, legal)
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I was a member of IBEW #351 years ago as a temporary employee when I was pulling cable during the summers. Any time we worked a government building, we got a much larger wage (thank you taxpayers). Any time a government entity didn't go union, there were efforts to shut down the jobsite as well as plenty of physical threats. This happened where I lived 10 years ago and it's a common practice:
Unions are good ideas. It's the way they are run that is the problem. They are run by a bunch of do-nothing goons and crooks. Typical union members are good people who deserve a good wage. It's almost like Islam; get rid of the so-called leaders and you'll find they aren't bad at all.
whats the deal, I don't get why you feel the hatred. What do you know that I don't know after being in a union that has protected my working conditions for years. Do you want to go to 1 dollars a day in aweful conditions like the china model. Hey china is profitable....at the expense of billions of lives.
Please explain your view. Please tell me in what way you are personally hurt by those EVIL unions.
Thanks.
Simple answers:
They know nothing about history.
They think unions are the only "evil" entity in the world....governments, corporations, religions, countries are ALL run by SAINTS and have never been corrupted.
It's La-la Land but that's where they want to stay....it's so much safer than thinking
DestinationSeattle said on the first page pretty much exactly what I was going to say.
I'll add that unions must continue to justify their existence to their members, which is where the real problems are. Once they overcame the problems of exploitation, they should have closed up shop. Instead, they keep pushing for more and more from the employers. They have to, or the employees will realize that they're not getting anything for their money (dues).
It's not fair to the employers, who are being forced to pay an employee much more than the job is worth. My favorite example is the grocery stores. ANYONE can stock shelves, bag groceries or run a cash register. There are virtually no skills required to work in a grocery store, yet the stores are forced to give their employees the same benefit packages and wages as someone who paid for four years of college, earned a degree and began a career in a profession that requires some specialized knowledge or skill.
Employers - large or small - should have no obligation whatsoever other than to fulfill the terms of the employment contract that was signed by both the employer and employee at the time of hire. If that contract stipulated a benefit package, then they have to provide it. If it stipulated no benefits and only minimum wage, then that's all the employee is entitled to receive. The employee has the option of turning down the job and applying somewhere else.
Personally, I know no Republicans who "hate" Unions. I do know several registered Republicans who are members of Unions - one being the head of a local.
DestinationSeattle said on the first page pretty much exactly what I was going to say.
I'll add that unions must continue to justify their existence to their members, which is where the real problems are. Once they overcame the problems of exploitation, they should have closed up shop. Instead, they keep pushing for more and more from the employers. They have to, or the employees will realize that they're not getting anything for their money (dues).
It's not fair to the employers, who are being forced to pay an employee much more than the job is worth. My favorite example is the grocery stores. ANYONE can stock shelves, bag groceries or run a cash register. There are virtually no skills required to work in a grocery store, yet the stores are forced to give their employees the same benefit packages and wages as someone who paid for four years of college, earned a degree and began a career in a profession that requires some specialized knowledge or skill.
Employers - large or small - should have no obligation whatsoever other than to fulfill the terms of the employment contract that was signed by both the employer and employee at the time of hire. If that contract stipulated a benefit package, then they have to provide it. If it stipulated no benefits and only minimum wage, then that's all the employee is entitled to receive. The employee has the option of turning down the job and applying somewhere else.
For the record, I am not a Republican.
actually, not everybody can be a checker. Very few can cut it with the physical demands. Hours of long lines on your feet, dealing with people with crappy attitudes. But off the point, thats why its called a LABOR union. Labor jobs tend to get the most abuse with very little protection.
I don't "hate" Unions, but I see that they provide a lot of cover for lazy workers to abuse the rules. My FIL and friends & coworkers have worked for Unions in the past, I have always avoided those jobs.
One co-worker told a story of an employer who would bring in over $100k/year by working weekends (double time) and holidays (triple time) and overnight on those weekends and holidays (1.5x your daily rate, so 3x normal on weekends, 4.5x normal on holidays).
There are also the incompetants who are incapable of doing their jobs, my wife had to deal with this in her last position. Workers would sit around, refuse to do work, and still collect a paycheck. One lady was successfully fired, then re-hired according to a union agreement.
Good workers don't need unions, it is the poor workers who do. A good worker who isn't making what he deserves can always find a job elsewhere that pays more, a poor worker will find himself in a lower paying job.
I have also worked in the automotive field for a few years, it was obvious to me that there was a much better relationship between management and labor in non-union shops than in union shops.
There's also the issue of Unions taking money from their members and donating it to political parties without the knowledge or consent of their members. It is an "opt-out" program, but if you opt-out, then you can be sure that EVERYONE in the workplace knows about it.
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