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Old 08-26-2008, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Assisi, Italy
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Two elderly women sentenced to year's labour over Olympics protest | Sport | guardian.co.uk

The facts as stated in this article seem a bit light.

I need to ask.

Why in the heck China would choose to lock up two old ladies during the Olympics?

This is a property dispute exactly like Eminent Domain. The resolution in the USA would be cash. The property owner can grumble, but in the end, it is just a dollar sign solution. Presumably, Beijing offered them cash too. Not enough?

The Chinese would surely have been motivated to pay big money to avoid this special circumstance. It does not make sense as stated.

How did this escalate to having to pop THESE ladies in the pokey?
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:56 PM
 
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Age doesn't really matter. The whole "I'm not going to put you in jail becuase your too old" psychology doesn't work with me. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Regardless of what country it is.
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Old 08-27-2008, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Assisi, Italy
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Age doesn't really matter. The whole "I'm not going to put you in jail becuase your too old" psychology doesn't work with me. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Regardless of what country it is.
Cal

I agree. I do not cut ANY slack for age either unless they were perhaps Alzheimer types. I was just rhetorically asking this question as I cannot understand the lock up based on what the article says alone.

The headline
Two elderly women sentenced to year's labour over Olympics protest | Sport | guardian.co.uk

is not by accident

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Old 08-27-2008, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Rural Central Texas
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Based on the "facts" in your link, there was no relationship to their protest and the olympics other than the timing of the protest zones and these ladies application. It is likely that there was no avenue for their protest earlier so they took this opportunity.

Based on the response they got, I also believe they have been making a nuisance of themselves since 2001 to these authorities and the authorities finally got fed up with them.

The reaction is not consistent with our legal system, but it is very normal in theirs. Age is not a factor, nor should it be. It the system is applicable to one, it should be applicable to all. If it is unfair, then that should be addressed separately according to the proscribed process in their system.
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Old 08-27-2008, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Assisi, Italy
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Based on the response they got, I also believe they have been making a nuisance of themselves since 2001 to these authorities and the authorities finally got fed up with them.

The reaction is not consistent with our legal system, but it is very normal in theirs.
I guess it all depends on what they did. Did they pull a Zsa Zsa and slap someone?
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:51 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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>Based on the response they got, I also believe they have been making a nuisance of themselves since 2001 to these authorities and the authorities finally got fed up with them.<

True or not. I wonder how much of the mainstream media picked up or looked into this information.
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Old 08-27-2008, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Assisi, Italy
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>Based on the response they got, I also believe they have been making a nuisance of themselves since 2001 to these authorities and the authorities finally got fed up with them.<

True or not. I wonder how much of the mainstream media picked up or looked into this information.
This is a hot potato. Hard for any main stream journalist to benefit taking either side on this. It is hard to prove what really happened and costly too.

I just read between the lines and have to ask if this whole thing makes any sense. Or is this just another hit piece. HRW propaganda?

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Old 08-27-2008, 05:59 AM
 
Location: California
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Two elderly women sentenced to year's labour over Olympics protest | Sport | guardian.co.uk

The facts as stated in this article seem a bit light.

I need to ask.

Why in the heck China would choose to lock up two old ladies during the Olympics?

This is a property dispute exactly like Eminent Domain. The resolution in the USA would be cash. The property owner can grumble, but in the end, it is just a dollar sign solution. Presumably, Beijing offered them cash too. Not enough?

The Chinese would surely have been motivated to pay big money to avoid this special circumstance. It does not make sense as stated.

How did this escalate to having to pop THESE ladies in the pokey?
This is just the way China works, up to 1 million people were displaced for the Olympics, on one news story about this the reporter was told not to engage in any conversation about the government with the people for they could be arrested and sent to prison or simply dissapear.
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Old 08-27-2008, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Assisi, Italy
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This is just the way China works, up to 1 million people were displaced for the Olympics, on one news story about this the reporter was told not to engage in any conversation about the government with the people for they could be arrested and sent to prison or simply dissapear.
I see. It is all clear to me now. Thanks for providing all that indisputable proof and documentation.
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Old 08-27-2008, 07:02 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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There are no individual rights in China as far as its government is concerned.
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