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If you buy a house together, you can instruct the title company to draft the deed with language establishing you and your partner as joint tenants with rights of survivorship. If you didn't do that from the start there are ways to amend it. In this manner if one of you dies the property cedes to the survivor. You can also download a last will and testament form from the internet that instructs the probate court to recognize your partner as the executor of the estate and all that is yours cedes to him. You don't need to be married for any of this. If you want to go really crazy you can seek legal assistance from a probate attorney. Expect to pay about $500.
And the rest of the benefits and rights that come instantly with legal marriage (and for under $100, by the way)? What about that?
Good article on the cost of "making a marriage", as so many are suggesting (i.e. hiring an attorney or filing legal docs to create some protections)
It's obviously not as simple as downloading forms from the internet (and for many of those forms, to be sure to get correct ones and state-specific ones instead of taking chances with the freebies, you'd end up paying more than the cost of a freakin' marriage license anyway!)...
Oh, and here's a little quote from that article which illustrates the other issue: family members who come along after a death and interfere and mess with what the couple's carefully created legal "stuff" as legal "next of kin", undoing everything (it happens) or at least trying to:
"Now what? Okay, Todd had a will and they have a lot of property. If Todd and Bruce were legally married, there are some exclusions that they could take advantage of; otherwise, Bruce’s estate taxes are much greater than they would have been. If Todd got rich enough, his first cousin, who is now Todd’s next of kin, challenges the will, saying it’s invalid, claiming undue influence, saying the relationship is “against public policy.” Bruce probably wins. Eventually. Lawyers get rich."
The issue of relatives contesting a will and whatnot is exactly WHY a couple would want to hire a lawyer, to do their best to make sure everything was in tip top legal shape, vs. taking chances with a DIY internet will.
Bottom line, some issues can be solved (sorta) with a lawyer's help, but there are still legal issues and benefits and rights that cannot be "purchased" or privately arranged via an attorney, and it's NOT as simple as downloading stuff off the internet and hoping for the best.
It also costs thousands of dollars to make sure all those documents are legal and still either of our families could override them.
And married heterosexuals face the exact same challenges and have to spend thousands of dollars to make sure all those documents are legal so other family members don't over-ride them.
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Originally Posted by TheDragonslayer
You are not in my shoes and have no understanding of what it is like.
I understand that every living organism on this planet is designed to perform one function only: procreate.
This might come as a surprise to you, but there aren't any ova in your stomach or rectum.
And married heterosexuals face the exact same challenges and have to spend thousands of dollars to make sure all those documents are legal so other family members don't over-ride them.
Whatever. a LOT of that comes automatically, with the marriage license. When is the last time you heard of a family member of a deceased married straight person trying to contest a will on the basis of the person's straight marriage/relationship being "not valid"?
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Originally Posted by Mircea
I understand that every living organism on this planet is designed to perform one function only: procreate.
This might come as a surprise to you, but there aren't any ova in your stomach or rectum.
This might come as a surprise to YOU, but lots of gays and lesbians have kids and no, the stork didn't bring them.
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And married heterosexuals face the exact same challenges and have to spend thousands of dollars to make sure all those documents are legal so other family members don't over-ride them.
I understand that every living organism on this planet is designed to perform one function only: procreate.
This might come as a surprise to you, but there aren't any ova in your stomach or rectum.
So the only joy or purpose we can get out of life, or a relationship, is to make more humans? Boy I bet your sex life is great, no intimacy..only banging eh? That argument also negates sterile couple from marrying, elderly couples or women past menopause, and couples that simply do not want to have kids.
From a busines stand point, wouldnt it be easy. You when I sell something, I would like to say MR and MR Smith, instead of that awkward moment when I have to ask for both names for the recipt. Also, the combined credit report. Gay people seem to have more disposable income too. Ill take Gay money, its spends the exact same. I think the idea of husband and wife sounds better for my life, but I hope we can just move on. The sooner the better. If we start now, maybe in 3 or 4 generations it will be a normal thing. So sick of the Gay haters and republicans telling everyone what there morals are. Shut up, pay your bill, Ill pay mine, gay folks can pay theres and everyones fine. I have spoken.
And married heterosexuals face the exact same challenges and have to spend thousands of dollars to make sure all those documents are legal so other family members don't over-ride them.
I understand that every living organism on this planet is designed to perform one function only: procreate.
This might come as a surprise to you, but there aren't any ova in your stomach or rectum.
my cousin cant have kids. she had a hysterectomy at a young age. does she not deserve marraige as well?
what about sterile men? barren women? are they to be denied marraige because they cant procreate?
you keep on losing.
your areguments are very weak. i would hope that the saint looks kindly on you and give you an ounce of comapssion for people who are slightly different than you, but still want the same things out of this life as you.
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.'
And married heterosexuals face the exact same challenges and have to spend thousands of dollars to make sure all those documents are legal so other family members don't over-ride them.
I understand that every living organism on this planet is designed to perform one function only: procreate.
This might come as a surprise to you, but there aren't any ova in your stomach or rectum.
Yes, I do support same sex civil unions and marriages. Any person who is a good intentioned, honest, hard working, productive citizen in our country should have the same rights.
I do, however, lean to the right on all other issues.....so my vote will have to go to McCain/Palin.
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