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Old 09-06-2008, 04:18 AM
 
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I am surprised that there is so little complaints against the war in Afghanistan. Originally it was popular because of the link to 9-11, but as 2001 becomes distant memories to many of us and the war just keep growing and a peaceful solution out of reach, I wonder if people will start to become uncomfortable with our role in that country.

The military strikes that are killing all these civilians seem to happen all the time with little public complaint. It seems like people have put a sub human viewpoint on the fine people in this poor country.

In my opinion the war against the Taliban is a waste of time. Sure, they are terrible people but so are the leaders of many countries in Africa and the Middle East.

Do you think that in 5-10 years as the War in Afghanistan drags on, the American people will start to have second looks at the conflict?
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Rural Northern California
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I hope not. Afghanistan is a war we need to win, because doing so would speak very highly of us globally. The sad thing is, Kabul used to be a world class city. Then, the Russians invaded (and failed), and in their wake, the Taliban came in with its fundamentalist Islam, and forced the people to obey a stilted view of the Muslim religion. I hope, for the sake of Muslims,Americans, and the world as a whole, that we can eventually restore Afghanistan to its prior status, as it could (as it would have been) be a seat of higher learning and development. Afghanistan was on the level of Germany, England, or France, and was destroyed by the Russians/Taliban. It would be very very good to have a primarily (moderate) Islamic nation in the G8 (or is it 7 now after the Georgian War?).
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Old 09-06-2008, 07:52 AM
 
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Downplaying Afghanistan is not the fault of the public but the media. The Arc of Islam theory is a very nasty thing.
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:10 AM
 
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First we must ask, what constitutes victory? Do we stick a flag on the capital building, salute the stars and stripes, and come home? Is there are a list of bad guys that has to be completed first? Because if the objective is to "end terrorism by ending the terrorist" then we will never come home.

War on terrorism is like declaring war on patriotism at the RNC... never a war you're going to win because it isn't obtainable.
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You can't win a war against terrorists..it's like the war on drugs.

You can never declare victory.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I was talking to an army guy the other day and he told me there are more outgoing units headed for Afghanistan now than for Iraq.

I knew there was a shift occurring but did not realize how quick it is happening.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:21 AM
 
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we can't win a war on Islam,but we can win in Afghanistan if we eliminate the Taliban to being insignificant in stregnth,setting up a provisional government and LEAVE.If we try to stay there and change a culture at its roots,if we try to get every single Islamic bad guy and if we try to micro manage the area then we will fail.


Eliminate a immediate threat....LEAVE.If it comes up again go back crush it....then LEAVE.
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:22 AM
 
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we can't win a war on Islam,but we can win in Afghanistan if we eliminate the Taliban to being insignificant in stregnth,setting up a provisional government and LEAVE.If we try to stay there and change a culture at its roots,if we try to get every single Islamic bad guy and if we try to micro manage the area then we will fail.


Eliminate a immediate threat....LEAVE.If it comes up again go back crush it....then LEAVE.
Well its the Taliban, Taliban sympathizers, and just plain radical Islamic jihadist of every flavor. Put them in a room and how do you tell one apart from the other?

There is also that problem with border of Pakistan. In order to capture or destroy these types, we will have to have a presence in Pakistan as well. So do we just cross the border and do what we want without their permission?

I simply don't know what the solution is but I do know that it is far more complicated than just having a presence in Afghanistan.
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:40 AM
 
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Well our real goal should be Al-Queda.The Taliban happen to support them so the friend of our enemy is our enemy.But the Taliban were not the direct culprits of 9-11.


If we can have a government in Afghanistan that will be against Taliban and Alqueda we will have a partner to keep them in check.Pakistan is another situtation.


The question is,can we have a friendly government stay in place in Afghanistan without us having to maintain a forever dominant presence there.Because if we cannot and we stay there we will be engaged in a forever guerilla war.

We don't have to make friends with everybody,we don't need to get all Taliban,we just need to make them know that if they attack us we will make their life miserable.Whether that will work I dunno.
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Old 09-06-2008, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I hope not. Afghanistan is a war we need to win, because doing so would speak very highly of us globally.
How? That the US can consistently beat up on 3rd world countries is something to speak highly of?

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The sad thing is, Kabul used to be a world class city. Then, the Russians invaded (and failed).
Kabul was many things, but it was NEVER a world class city. That is exactly why Daud over-threw the government. The runways at the airport weren't even large enough to handle cargo aircraft. Daud was a pro-western socialist how sought help from western European countries to bring in heavy construction equipment to expand the airport so more items could be brought it.

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Afghanistan was on the level of Germany, England, or France, and was destroyed by the Russians/Taliban.
No, it was not. It was a back-water tribal-clan based society that specialized in growing poppies for opium.
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