Who got it worse in early America - African Americans or Native Americans? (activist, money)

[Dumbdowndemocrats]

The American Indians were far from being friendly with each other the Erie tribe was wiped out because of Indian Wars the Iroquois would raid the native Shawnee here and steal their crops livestock and enslave them.

[TheThrillIsGone]

Both had it bad. I dont think you can really say which one had it worse.

[Lumbeewoman8]

I am Cherokee, Lumbee and Irish. I believe Native Americans to have been treated the worst. When you take away a peoples complete identity and everything that is the very essence of who they are that is not only death by the physical sense, but also the soul. The truth is not widely known about individual , key people in Native American culture. Children are taught in school about whites, blacks, Asians, and even Latin culture. There are many heroes in Native American history. My Great,great grandmother is one of those. She fought in the civil war posing as male to be with her husband. She was Cherokee. It is very sad and tragic the things inflicted upon all tribes of A. Indian people. The blood still cries out from the rocks, mountains,streams,deserts.Blacks were treated less than human at one point in history, but not any longer. Native Americans are the forgotten. Still treated as the scum of the earth. The trail of Tears which included all tribes not only the Cherokee, must not be forgotten or erased from our history or souls....

[tluv00]

Black people and here is why.

Casinos = Native American reparations.

SARCASM

[DewDropInn]

Originally Posted by Hesoworthy1

I think both races had it really bad. As a person of Native (Shinnecock), Caucasian, and African ancestry I hate to even try to compare. I do think however, blacks had it worse. Natives were dislocated from their land as opposed to being completely REMOVED. Natives were forced to reservations with people of the same customs, same family, etc. Many slaves were seperated from family members and relied on the slave owner for every facet of survival i.e. food, clothes, and shelter. I think injustice against ANY race is wrong and I wish we would stand together as a country.

Keep in mind that many tribes were COMPLETELY removed from their land and placed in places so foreign to them they might as well have been on the moon.

And both the Long Walk of the Navajo and the Trail of Tears (just to pick out two of the forced re-locations) killed thousands of Indians by disease, starvation and the sheer torture of the walk itself.

[nightflight]

And both the Long Walk of the Navajo and the Trail of Tears (just to pick out two of the forced re-locations) killed thousands of Indians by disease, starvation and the sheer torture of the walk itself.

Yes, but thousands of black slaves owned by the Cherokee were taken along on the Trail of Tears.

[Kawena]

I think after reading allot of the posts in this topic many have good reasons for their views. To some (not much) extent the African American I feel had it worse. just for the simple fact. reparations...

The African Americans got nothing for all the wrongs that were committed against them, did they even get an apology?

Not taking anything away from the Native Americans. Everything about them had been ripped from them in what was best for the new America. The US feels as if by giving the Reservations and allowing them limited rights privileges makes up for the wrong committed against them.

Both people suffered. To some extent they both suffered under what the constitution of the United States was wrong and unjust.

On my last vacation to California I befriended a Native American. Was super nice talking to him I had way too many questions for him and the plight of the Native American to which he answered. As we were talking I said to him that I was from hawaii and that we have soo many things in common.
I had informed him as to the struggles of the Hawaiian people and on just how hawaii became a state. To his surprise he didn't know the history of the US and Hawaii. He had been to Hawaii many of times but no one ever educated him in the role the US had in overthrowing the Kingdom Of Hawaii.
like the Native Americans the Native Hawaiians got reparations in the from of an apology.. LOL SORRY..... Sorry is going to fix things.... what is the price of a Kingdom?

UNITED STATES PUBLIC LAW 103-150
103d Congress Joint Resolution 19
Nov. 23, 1993
To acknowledge the 100th anniversary of the January 17, 1893 overthrow ofthe Kingdom of Hawaii, and to offer an apology to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii.
THE APOLOGY - United States Public Law 103-150

(9) In a message to Congress on December 18, 1893, then President Grover Cleveland reported fully and accurately on these illegal actions, and acknowledged that by these acts, described by the President as acts of war, the government of a peaceful and friendly people was overthrown, and the President concluded that a “substantial wrong has thus been done which a due regard for our national character as well as the rights of the injured people required that we should endeavor to repair”.
42 USC § 11701 - Findings | LII / Legal Information Institute

I didn't want to thread steal here but I kind of feel as if Native Hawaiians should have been included as well.

The US and reparations...
The Justice Department closed the books this week on a $1.6 billion reparations program for ethnic Japanese interned in American camps during World War II, and will settle with 181 ethnic Japanese from Latin America who suffered similar treatment.

The redress program made $20,000 payments to 82,210 Japanese Americans or their heirs, department officials said yesterday. Under a federal court settlement approved last month, the balance of the fund was left over to make $5,000 payments to Latin American Japanese.
Wwii Reparations: Japanese-American Internees

Under the 177 Agreement, the United States provided to the Marshall Islands the sum of $150 million as a financial settlement for the damages caused by the nuclear testing program. That money was used to create a fund intended to generate $270 million for distribution over a 15 year period with average annual proceeds of approximately $18 million per year through the year 2001. These funds were distributed among the peoples of Bikini, Enewetak, Rongelap, Utrik, for medical and radiological monitoring, and the payment of claims.

The 177 Agreement also provided for the establishment of a Claims Tribunal with jurisdiction to "render final determination upon all claims past, present and future, of the Government, citizens and nationals of the Marshall Islands which are based on, arise out of, or are in any way related to the Nuclear Testing Program."

The Marshall Islands Nuclear Claims Tribunal was established in 1988. In 1991, the Tribunal first implemented a compensation program for personal injuries deemed to have resulted from the nuclear testing program. By the end of 2003, the Tribunal had awarded more than $83 million in compensation for such injuries with additional compensable claims being filed on a regular basis. In addition, the Tribunal has awarded over $1 billion in property damage awards in the class actions of the people of Enewetak Atoll and the people of Bikini Atoll. The pending property claims from the peoples of Rongelap and Utrik Atolls near completion, while the people of Ailuk Atoll have recently filed a class action claim for compensation
Marshall Islands Nuclear Claims Tribunal

[desertdetroiter]

Who cares about what group got treated the worse?

Is this a serious discussion?

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by iPwn

I think while both definitely got a very short stick compared to the white settlers, the clear loser of them all was the Indians.

Slavery is horrible, and we should be ashamed as a nation of allowing it, but it's not as bad as genocide. When you're enslaved, you can still hope to be freed, sing, have a family, enjoy nature, and know you'll have a legacy (which blacks do in this country and Native Americans don't).

The Indians were basically exterminated like rodents. Could you imagine strangers from another continent telling you your way of life sucked, and you had to believe in their God, and follow their lifestyle, or die? If you DID do this, you still might die. White people embraced African American culture, and it's strong to this day, especially in music where it DOMINATES outside of rock. What do the Indians have? Place names? Casinos? Chapters in history books? That's about it. They're foreigners in their own land to people who are themselves foreigners from the other half of the world.

The only reason blacks are seen as being more oppressed is because they lived to tell about their plight. The Native Americans don't even get that privilege.

The slaves being property, with value and worth, were well taken care of. My forefathers, not so much.

[MrSykes]

Originally Posted by BentBow

The slaves being property, with value and worth, were well taken care of. My forefathers, not so much.

I'll be blunt. I'd much rather be killed off than made to live a life as someone's property.