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Old 05-19-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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In general the American public is more sentimental to Plight of Native Americans. The White man met the Native People on equal terms. We also have an over romanticized view of Native Americans. we relate to his loss as something we can understand, on the other hand people believe African Americans who came as captives and slaves, deemed sub- humans, should be happy for whatever status they get.
Exactly people have hate in their heart for black people . So of course the majority of people will say that the native americans got the raw deal once again to downplay the whole situation . I'm convinced of that how many racist terms do Americans use against Native Americans ? Great post Thrifty

waits for someone to respond with something ignorant .

 
Old 05-19-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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These Slavery Apologist arguments go back to the 1850's , especially the statement "Sold By their Own People" Were White people in America Killing their "own People" in the coal Mines? No , because White people in America didn't think of Irish, Italians , and Slovenians as "their own" people just because their skin was white. Were Nazi's killing "their own people" they were all white skinned people killing other white skinned people. The continent of Africa has four distinct language group and 2000 minor sub-categories. One African Sells a White man another African and they think they must be be related . No we are not all related. It would take a dissertation to compare and contrast the institution of Slavery as it exist in the east and the west. In Africa Slavery was a period of indoctrination for a captive who may one day rule the tribe. This kind of Slavery in the US was only practised by some Native American tribes, which gave rise to the Seminoles (the only Indians the US government couldn't defeat)
 
Old 05-19-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Thanks , Of course America couldnt make a sports team called the Slaves . American racism towards black people has to be camouflaged and we as americans look at Native Americans as strong noble warriors that know how to survive . Now how do americans look at African Americans . America as a country gets surprised when they see a smart black man . Like it's a rarity . Now days Native Americans can integrate into the American culture and it wont be the same feeling or resentment that this country has towards black people . Is Lou Diamond Phillips , Benjamin Bratt ,Cher, Wayne Newton and countless others looked at as Native Americans or do we just look at them as people ? This country as a whole looks at all black people as black people first and then sometimes might judge them by their character . We all know its true but people would never own up to that . So the hatred for blacks is very deep rooted in the United States . America(the way we know it today and in the past) as a whole doesnt have that same hatred and resentment for native americans as opposed to black people.
Easy there:

I voted for Obama; and the man does not impress me as being dumb. Nor would I characterize Oprah, Tiger, Colin Powell, and quite a few other 'Black' folk as being dumb either.

The stereotype that American Blacks are ignorant (to be polite) is changing fast. More and more: the attitude that 'acting White' (being successful and speaking correct English) is not such a bad thing after all.

Flip side: prejudice is growing against especially 'brown' Latinos who speak Spanish since so many of them are illegal aliens.
 
Old 05-19-2009, 11:57 AM
 
Location: DFW Texas
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Are you serious ? 40 acres and a mule ? That never really happened it was reversed

Lol this guy says black people were given a president ? Welfare ?

To begin with blacks weren't given a president . He isnt just the president of black people he is the president of the entire United States he isnt the president of black people. Welfare ? Welfare isn't a black thing . There are many white people & others on welfare as well . Welfare isnt a racial issue it is an economic issue . NAACP ? No one gave black people the NAACP it was created by black people . The united negro college fund wasnt given to black people . No one gave black people anything . Anything black people got it's because they fought for it not because it was given . And who should have to fight for the things black people fought for ? No one should

People continue to say africans were sold into slavery by other africans .

Now lets talk about all the europeans that kidnapped africans because in the end result thats what happened .

Unless you were making some type of stupid joke you must have had an ignorant history teacher . But then again you're from Texas alot of ignorance comes out of Texas especially the past 8 years .
Dude, DENIAL is not a city in Egypt. Everything I said is in fact, TRUTH. Yeah the blacks have done some fighting to get what they have but the majority was given because of "WHITE GUILT".

Ignorance out of Texas?.........considering California is uh BROKE!! and Texas is NOT.....makes me wonder who the real IDIOTS are!
 
Old 05-19-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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Easy there:

I voted for Obama; and the man does not impress me as being dumb. Nor would I characterize Oprah, Tiger, Colin Powell, and quite a few other 'Black' folk as being dumb either.

The stereotype that American Blacks are ignorant (to be polite) is changing fast. More and more: the attitude that 'acting White' (being successful and speaking correct English) is not such a bad thing after all.

Flip side: prejudice is growing against especially 'brown' Latinos who speak Spanish since so many of them are illegal aliens.
who told you acting white was considered being successful ? Im from Los Angeles (originally Chicago but grew up in LA) and a alot of people are successful and that has never been associated with acting white at least out here . Then again Los Angeles isn't a "White" driven city . Besides Jewish & Middle Eastern people (which dont identify with being white) .
 
Old 05-19-2009, 01:22 PM
 
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Dude, DENIAL is not a city in Egypt. Everything I said is in fact, TRUTH. Yeah the blacks have done some fighting to get what they have but the majority was given because of "WHITE GUILT".

Ignorance out of Texas?.........considering California is uh BROKE!! and Texas is NOT.....makes me wonder who the real IDIOTS are!
The real idiots are the people who would even consider breaking off from the United States


Dude, DENIAL is not a city anywhere . Maybe you were sleeping in geography class too . Your racism is coming out in your typing . If you think the majority of things were given because of white guilt you are more ignorant than you even know . I guess typing in CAPS makes you feel like you're getting you point across . Black people fought hard for rights and if it werent for black people fighting for rights nothing would have changed . Its funny how you discredit a race of people based on your own stupidity . Guilt should be felt by anyone that treats anyone wrong for no reason . So if there was White Guilt it was because of "certain" Whites being guilty for the wrong ways they have treated people in the past . But that has nothing to do with the rise or success of the Black Race .

The majority of what was given to blacks is because of white guilt ? Where are these facts you claim to have ?

Should Oprah thank her success to white guilt ?
Is Diddy worth almost 500 million because of white guilt ?
Did Daniel Hale Williams become a cardiologist because of white guilt ?
Was Bob Johnson the first black billionaire because of white guilt ?
Martin Luther King became who he was because of white guilt ?
Did LeBron get the MVP because of white guilt ?
Did Captain Merryl David become who she was because of white guilt ?
Should the black stockbroker that makes 150k a year thank his success to white guilt ?

the answer to all of the questions are no .


And anything black people have was earned . If you work 40 hours a week did you earn the money you get paid ? Yes

Black people didnt come here with their hands out or steal anyones land . Black people were brought here and worked hard. Give credit where it's due .
 
Old 05-19-2009, 01:29 PM
 
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native americans werent all exterminated many were just killed in wars, but the spanish by far did most killing of natives . .
Who was most vicious, the Catholics or the Protestants?
 
Old 05-19-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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What I find interesting is the relationship whites have with both groups.

With Indians there's a certain amount of romanticism with them and their culture. Many whites will not hesitate to admit if they have some Indian blood. Whites have had less of a problem mixing with Indians. I guess this is because a white person can admit to having Indian Blood and still be white.

Now with Blacks whites enjoy Black musical creativity and athlecticism but not too many whites will admit they have Black blood because of what that would mean. Mixing with Blacks has been more of a problem than doing this with Indians.

Anyway my point is that even though both groups have dealt with oppression from whites,whites seem to have a particular relationship with both groups.
It seems to me the the North American society has a HUGE unspoken and possibly unconscious reverence for the Native North Americans.

So many Cities, Counties streets and cars are named after them.

I personally think that the natives were more spiritual than Western peoples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o00IR...eature=related
 
Old 05-19-2009, 04:34 PM
 
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In terms of overall slaughter, I think definitely the Indians 'win' - plus the fact that their beautiful country was taken from them. But now they are slowly winning it back, thru Bingo and Blackjack.
Not Really Kramercat! Casino Gambling gives a very Trite relief to American Indian Reservations!

The White Man Wins Again. While most Indians continue to live in poverty, many non-Indian investors are extracting hundreds of millions of dollars - sometimes in violation of legal limits - from casinos they helped establish, either by taking advantage of regulatory loopholes or cutting backroom deals. More than 90% of the contracts between tribes and outside gaming-management companies operate with no oversight. That means investors' identities are often secret, as are their financial arrangements and their share of the revenue. Whatever else Congress had in mind when it passed the regulatory act, presumably the idea was not to line the pockets of a Malaysian gambling magnate, a South African millionaire or a Minnesota leather-apparel king.

Imagine, if you will, Congress passing a bill to make Indian tribes more self-sufficient that gives billions of dollars to the white backers of Indian businesses—and nothing to hundreds of thousands of Native Americans living in poverty. Can't imagine Congress passing such a bill? It did.






All of the Brainwashed Guilt conscious White Liberals who think Casino Gambling has helped American Indians and Race relations check this out:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101021216/story_backup.html (broken link)


Debate: Does casino gambling on reservations help or hurt Native Americans? - North American Culture - Helium

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?...ox&Form=IE8SRC

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Old 05-19-2009, 05:21 PM
 
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Are you serious ? 40 acres and a mule ? That never really happened it was reversed

Lol this guy says black people were given a president ? Welfare ?

To begin with blacks weren't given a president . He isnt just the president of black people he is the president of the entire United States he isnt the president of black people. Welfare ? Welfare isn't a black thing . There are many white people & others on welfare as well . Welfare isnt a racial issue it is an economic issue . NAACP ? No one gave black people the NAACP it was created by black people . The united negro college fund wasnt given to black people . No one gave black people anything . Anything black people got it's because they fought for it not because it was given . And who should have to fight for the things black people fought for ? No one should

People continue to say africans were sold into slavery by other africans .

Now lets talk about all the europeans that kidnapped africans because in the end result thats what happened .

Unless you were making some type of stupid joke you must have had an ignorant history teacher . But then again you're from Texas alot of ignorance comes out of Texas especially the past 8 years .
9TheCityOfAngeles9 says: NAACP ? No one gave black people the NAACP it was created by black people .

Opps another White Liberal Guilt conscious Statement!

The NAACP was created by White People!


http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/.../ovington.html


9TheCityOfAngeles9 also says: The united negro college fund wasnt given to black people .

As for the United Negro College Fund or U.N.C.F. Early supporters of the UNCF included President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and John D. Rockefeller, Jr. who are both Hardly Coloured People Indeed!

http://www.uncf.org/history/default.asp

9TheCityOfAngeles9 also says: No one gave black people anything . Anything black people got it's because they fought for it not because it was given

OOOOhhhh really 9TheCityOfAngeles9 check this one out! Its seems the evidence shows; Black people fought for nothing! And the Civil Rights movements and everything Blacks have was in fact started and given to them by someone else indeed!!!!!!!!!

For instance as you will see in the [url] The NAACP was headed by Whites only until the early 1970's!
And Whites were the ones who started up the civil rights movement and coined the term Affirmative action!

Its seems like you must have had an ignorant history teacher .


http://www.tworca.org/civilrights.html (broken link)

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