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It's supported by facts. The only sex offenders who do not commit further sex offenses are those who are dead or in prison.
It is not supported by any facts or even intuitive logic, but is contradicted by numerous peer-reviewed studies. Sex offenders not only do not have a 100% recidivism rate, as you suggest, they do not even have the highest recidivism rate of all classes of criminality. I've already posted Lotke's article on the subject and could post half a dozen more if I thought anyone would bother reading them. Do you have any information to the contrary that I could peruse, by an actual social scientist?
It is not supported by any facts or even intuitive logic, but is contradicted by numerous peer-reviewed studies. Sex offenders not only do not have a 100% recidivism rate, as you suggest, they do not even have the highest recidivism rate of all classes of criminality. I've already posted Lotke's article on the subject and could post half a dozen more if I thought anyone would bother reading them. Do you have any information to the contrary that I could peruse, by an actual social scientist?
Buddy, I have no idea where you come from but you are sorely misinformed....your comments are so distorted and bogus...You have no clue, none.
Buddy, I have no idea where you come from but you are sorely misinformed.
Inform me, then. I'm waiting for a single shred of evidence, which you don't have. I've bothered to research the issue; you haven't. No, watching an Oprah special and listening to half-baked anecdotes from a cop is not research.
I guess what bothers me most though, is people say "children are the greatest people in the world". The problem is, who is and isn't a child changes every day. If people from age 0 to 17 years and 364 days are the "angelic innocents", every day some of those will become "guilty adults".
It's like how people all want to adopt the cute kittens, and leave the poor older cats who need homes in the dust. Youth-centrism. Why can't people respect the rights of all? Of course, when speaking about child molesters, I mean the right not to be killed and brutalized and little more, but it's not like children are BETTER than adults.
Here's another thing I don't get, people admit pedophiles have a mental illness then say they're "evil" - I'd say what they do is evil, but I wouldn't say THEY'RE evil necessarily.
Another point - some of the same people who believe we should bring back Middle Eastern type torture and execution just for pedophiles also support spanking kids, which to me is the same thing as molestation, just far less severe. I don't think physical abuse is any better - how could it be? It's not just the sex itself that ruins the kids, it's the threats the molesters give the kids if they tell.
Please, please stop using a psychiatric term (pedophile) to describe a convicted criminal offender. Pedophilia is not even a mental illness. It is an aberration, like a foot fetish, or fear of heights. Pedophilia is not a crime in any jurisdiction that has ever existed on earth. When you use the term so wrongly, you are proving that you know little about the subject you are trying to talk about, and what what little you do know, you probably got from Sean Hannity.
It is true that most professionals in the medical or criminal fields do not encounter a pedophile until an offense has been suspected, and accordintly, they usually have an offender in mind when they use the expression. But that makes it more of a euphemism than correct usage.
Inform me, then. I'm waiting for a single shred of evidence, which you don't have. I've bothered to research the issue; you haven't. No, watching an Oprah special and listening to half-baked anecdotes from a cop is not research.
it would be impossible to inform you...and just for the record, I don't watch Oprah...
half-baked anecdotes from a cop?
you sir, are living in some world you've created for yourself and no matter what anyone showed you in black or white...you'd deny...
your the kind of person who has to insult others and bully them to get your point across...
Please, please stop using a psychiatric term (pedophile) to describe a convicted criminal offender. Pedophilia is not even a mental illness. It is an aberration, like a foot fetish, or fear of heights. Pedophilia is not a crime in any jurisdiction that has ever existed on earth. When you use the term so wrongly, you are proving that you know little about the subject you are trying to talk about, and what what little you do know, you probably got from Sean Hannity.
It is true that most professionals in the medical or criminal fields do not encounter a pedophile until an offense has been suspected, and accordintly, they usually have an offender in mind when they use the expression. But that makes it more of a euphemism than correct usage.
You are right, except that paraphilias (and phobias) are usually classified as mental illnesses.
It's a mental illness. I GUESS in a way it's no different from what you listed (it's a form of sexual orientation, like gay, lesbian, etc) but the problem is it's hurtful if acted upon, or even if you look at kiddie porn.
If someone is a pedophile and refuses to act (which actually is probably a majority of pedophiles, though of course there's no way to know) for moral reasons, I feel really sorry for such a person. If they act, and don't care, I think they're total scum, but at the same time I also think we should treat them humanely, that is not allow other prisoners to beat them, etc.
I also question the idea that criminals, i mean not the dad who drunk drove and had a bad temper and took it out on a child molester, but like the drug lord ringleaders, really give a f--- about what child molesters do, much less have high moral opposition to it (even if they themselves think it's gross and wouldn't do it). I'm sure they get it bad in prison, but so does anyone else who's inadequate. They're not "better" than child molesters, they're just as bad or worse if they've committed murder.
What easier target than someone who nobody will care if you bully? It's just like how Jack the Ripper picked on hookers, they don't give a F*CK about kids. They're freaking druggie, murderous thugs!
Thank God, most Americans aren't child molesters, but apparently most applaud prison bullying as "vigilantism".
If someone is a pedophile and refuses to act (which actually is probably a majority of pedophiles, though of course there's no way to know) for moral reasons, I feel really sorry for such a person. If they act, and don't care, I think they're total scum, but at the same time I also think we should treat them humanely, that is not allow other prisoners to beat them, etc.
You make many good points. I suspect that the majority are somewhere in between your two extremes of conscientious abstinence and depraved indifference. I think a fair number of pedophiles would offend, given the chance to, if they believed they won't get caught. But it's also the case that most of those who offend aren't indifferent to their victims, they simply rationalize and excuse their bad behavior using the same psychological mechanisms that other people use to rationalize and excuse their bad behavior.
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Thank God, most Americans aren't child molesters, but apparently most applaud prison bullying as "vigilantism".
Fortunately, most corrections officers behave professionally and don't tolerate overt violence, although there are certainly bad apples in any profession who need to be weeded out.
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