The No.1 Healthcare System (government, program, world, medical)

[geeoro]

NO system is perfect. No system will ever be perfect. People die in the UHC and people die in Private helth systems. Death in childbirth is less in the UK than in the USA. Is the Private health system that good when mothers die from childbirth in the USA? As i said all systems have their faults and the UHC has it's faults too. To live in a powerful, rich, successful country as the USA and still have Citizens WITHOUT healthcare is pathetic. America is Governed by Big corporations, even in the health of the Nation. You can quote stories of overcrowding or waits for tratment in the UHC system all you like but at least every man, woman and child can get GOOD healthcare without having to make career choices because of health care needs. The UK has some of the finest Doctors, Hospitals and Research in the World. I am amazed that their are Americans who whine about having to pay for everyones health care. America has always been a country with great moral values but to moan because your fellow American might have health cover being paid by communial tax is extremely elitist. Amazing how the UK and other countries seem to have more feeling for their fellow citizen than some Americans do for their fellow Citizens. America is the greatest country in the world. Where did the nasty "i'm ok Jack" attitude come from. Get over yourself and realise that good health for all is better for the USA in so many ways. I have given soooo many examples of how a UHC works and how it works well. Some people will never want a UHC, not because it will fail or is no good but because they just simply do NOT understand how beneficial it is. So much Hearsay on here. I am telling you how it works from actual experience of the UK and USA systems and i know which one works better. Using financial or legal or historical objections can be used for any change. Hopefully Obama will change how America's Health System is run and Everyone in the USA can get good Health Care. WHY NOT? Are you saying that some Americans do not have the right to be healthy. Absolute pure elitism.

[DawnW]

If people would stop suing over everything, health care costs would come down. Lawyers and sue happy people are the reason that health care has become so expensive.

Have you asked your doctor how much his/her insurance premiums are these days? Well over 25K per year is average.

Dawn

[HeyHolliday!]

Sorry if someone already brought this up but i haven't read through all 6 pages of posts.

I find it hard for the Europeans to say they have the best health care when in Europe they have heat waves that kill almost 35,000 people, but in the US when we have similar heat waves only 225 people die(the American heat wave was hotter as well). In fact if you took all the deaths from the last 3 major heat waves in the U.S. it still wouldn't even come close to the amount of people that died in the 2003 European heat waves. The reason why is because our health care is more efficient and doesn't have incredibly long wait times(most the Europeans died while waiting for care).

Also i find it very ignorant for Americans to say we have poor health care when there are many more aspects of it then what goes in the hospital. We have clean drinking water, clean air(for the most part), we have clean food, give out free flue shots, make sure all our products have non poisonous chemicals in them and many more things that make us the most healthiest nation ever. Most Americans take these things for granted but you would be surprised how in some other countries they have none of them.

(source: October 9, 2003: Record Heat Wave in Europe Takes 35,000 Lives)
(source:European heatwave caused 35,000 deaths - 10 October 2003 - New Scientist)
(source:2006 North American heat wave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

[geeoro]

For some reason Air Conditioning is something that Europe treats as a luxury. Hardly anyone has a/c in the UK. Every year we have the same problems of melted candy in shops etc. Heat kills, not because of bad Doctors etc but because of bad civics. One thing my wife and i always comment on is how when we are home in the USA, we can always get out of the heat, When in the UK, we boil all day.

[geeoro]

[quote=DawnW;5307090]If people would stop suing over everything, health care costs would come down. Lawyers and sue happy people are the reason that health care has become so expensive.

Have you asked your doctor how much his/her insurance premiums are these days? Well over 25K per year is average.

I agree Dawn. Litigation is rampant in the USA because of high payouts eg a Lady got$3,000,000 paid out for spilling coffee on herself in McDonalds. Hurts everyone.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by geeoro

To live in a powerful, rich, successful country as the USA and still have Citizens WITHOUT health care is pathetic.

The above highlighted statement is pure fabrication - poppy ****

The term "Health Care" and Health "INSURANCE" are not the same - the terms are not synonymous

[lionking]

Originally Posted by swagger

I'm without health cover[age] and I completely disagree with you. My health care is my responsibility, not yours or anyone else's.

IT would be great if everybody could and would support themself but in my example I had a melonoma taken off 5 years ago and company after company said DENIED,DENIED,DENIED when I went to seek my own insurance after moving away.

Now I am back on a group plan...........with a deductable and just was diagnoised with more skin cancer.They say they can get rid of it easily,its not melonoma this time but I will meet my deductable real fast even so.


Now people that CAN'T get insurance,one set back in health can set them up for a financial tailspin they may never recover from and then their is a chance people will for go getting care because they can't afford it.

[geeoro]

Sorry to hear about your melonoma Lion. I hope you will be ok soon. It's soooooooo easy for people to be complacent about health issues. They never think that their health will be an issue. It's also ok for people who have the money to pay premiums and deductables without it even worrying them or their family budget. These are the kind of people who don't and never will understand what it is really like to not have health cover because they can't afford it or if the cost of it means either buying food or health care. No point even arguing with these short sighted elitists as they are on another planet. The real issue is that Every American should have access to a good health system. This "you can go to any A&E and be treated"...Wrong! You can go and be stabalised, that's it. I feel so sorry for the good hard working American Families that have enough problems making ends meet or having an illness, or to have the added burden of how they can pay for treatment or get treatment or even stop going bankrupt because of huge medical bills. Everyone is a V.I.P. to their families and the thought of a loved family member suffering or dying because America only seems to care for the rich or the elitists is terrible in the 21st Century. Time for big corporations to stop raping America and for Govt. to do what they are elected for..."The well being of it's Citizens"... isn't that why you vote them in? Not to make CEO's mega rich.

[lionking]

well I have one on my arm and one on my cheek.The one on the arm is a sore that has been there a over a month and I started to realize something was wrong when it didn't go away.

Then 3 weeks ago I got a pimple on my cheek,waited for it to go away but it didn't,they both came back as Basal cell carcinoma,which is completely curable if taken care of.


MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia: Basal cell carcinoma


but how many people with debt and no insurance will let something like this just continue to where it becomes serious because they don't have insurance,CAN'T GET insurance?

[geeoro]

I agree Lion. It shouldn't be an issue. Every single citizen should be able to get any health care issue resolved without fear of financial consequenses. You are right that many people who could be cured, end up seriously ill or dead because they are afraid to seek medical help. That is appalling in the greatest country in the world. Not so great if you don't have health cover though and to be honest health should not be an issue, maybe in India or China or South America, but to be a problem in the USA is mind boggling.