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Old 12-03-2011, 05:57 PM
 
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No one believes in the one-drop rule these days except ironically Black Americans.
Bullsh*t. A hell of a lot of white folks believe in the one drop rule too...if you don't think so, i don't know where in the hell you've been.

If you're a person that's mixed to the point that you're racially indistinguishable, you're fine so long as you keep on the straight and narrow. But go over the line and you'll find out quickly what you are....or what they THINK you are.

You know NOTHING about the racial dynamics of this country. Stick to the things you know.
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I've read that the mulatto category for the census back then was included as a psuedo-scientific experiment by a guy name Josiah Nott to prove that black/white people are inherently abnormal, as if black and white people were a little two different to give birth to a functional offspring of the two races.. much like ligers(offspring of a male lion and female tiger and are 99.9% sterile and they don't live long).
Mulatto was first used in the Census as early as 1850. The terms "Other" and "Free Colored" are thought to refer to mixed raced individuals in the Census before that.

Before variations of the one-drop rule became enshrined in law in the 20th century the standard for whiteness was based on appearance. Obviously if you appeared white and folks in the community knew you were of slave heritage it probably would be best if you moved elsewhere where such facts about your family were not known. Yet legally speaking you still were deemed white.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...secret/famous/
Many of the first families have at least one black ancestor since the color line was not as hard and fast during the first years of Colonial America in particular in Virginia and Maryland. In fact when Virginia passed their one-drop law variation they had to include an exception for the descendants of Pocahantas since many of Virginia's prominent families of "First Families" descend from her through her son.


Racial Integrity Act of 1924 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kind of sad how some have adopted what is the basis of Nazi racial ideology as their basis of what determines what it means to be Black.
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Bullsh*t. A hell of a lot of white folks believe in the one drop rule too...if you don't think so, i don't know where in the hell you've been.

If you're a person that's mixed to the point that you're racially indistinguishable, you're fine so long as you keep on the straight and narrow. But go over the line and you'll find out quickly what you are....or what they THINK you are.

You know NOTHING about the racial dynamics of this country. Stick to the things you know.
Yes these whites are called Nazis or they subscribe to Eugenics. So now Blacks are adopting Nazism and Eugenic definitions as what it means to be Black.


It's absurd to think that being white is somehow more "pure" that if any other blood mixes with theirs by default it negates being white.

It must be the slave legacy once again that allows Blacks like you to hold on to this patently racist and demeaning way of thinking.
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:30 AM
 
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Yes these whites are called Nazis or they subscribe to Eugenics. So now Blacks are adopting Nazism and Eugenic definitions as what it means to be Black.


It's absurd to think that being white is somehow more "pure" that if any other blood mixes with theirs by default it negates being white.

It must be the slave legacy once again that allows Blacks like you to hold on to this patently racist and demeaning way of thinking.
Must be the colonial legacy that allows blacks like you to hold onto patently racist and demeaning opinons about your own people.
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Must be the colonial legacy that allows blacks like you to hold onto patently racist and demeaning opinons about your own people.
Once again it's clear that you cannot comprehend what you read and Blacks who descend from slaves are not "my people" which is the point.
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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It seems puerto ricans accept their black blood the most out of the countries with latinos. Do you think Im correct in my assesment of the latin countries. Why is that then when it comes to hispanics? In the early year's of the world their were alot of blacks in puerto rico. But also panama, colombia, mexico, brazil, cuba, venezeula dominican, and other parts of south america. What makes puerto ricans so diffrent?
Because their anatomy is "blessed" in certain areas of their bodies due to their african heritage, no matter how slight. My guatemalan friend says that even someone as "white" as ricky martin has african ancestry.
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:27 AM
 
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Yes these whites are called Nazis or they subscribe to Eugenics. So now Blacks are adopting Nazism and Eugenic definitions as what it means to be Black.


It's absurd to think that being white is somehow more "pure" that if any other blood mixes with theirs by default it negates being white.

It must be the slave legacy once again that allows Blacks like you to hold on to this patently racist and demeaning way of thinking.
It is absurd but really so are most definitions of "race" and sometimes it's obvious that someone is mixed but it's not always obvious.

A lot of black Americans have Asian or American Indian blood also -- but they are still considered to be black. It's all arbitrary, instead we could call anyone with a drop of white to be white -- but it would be just as arbitrary.

Even in Africa everyone isn't unmixed with something else.
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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Because their anatomy is "blessed" in certain areas of their bodies due to their african heritage, no matter how slight. My guatemalan friend says that even someone as "white" as ricky martin has african ancestry.
And that's more true where you don't "see" the descendents of slaves because the Spanish and Portugues brought them everywhere they went.

It's silly to wonder where the former slaves "went", they never left those countries but in many their descendents are the mestisos or mixed race people, you can see it in the large dark eyes, and the broader noses, fuller lips, and skin tones. And even if someone came straight from Spain, there was mixing going on with the African Moors.
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:28 PM
 
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A lot of black Americans have Asian or American Indian blood also -- but they are still considered to be black. It's all arbitrary, instead we could call anyone with a drop of white to be white -- but it would be just as arbitrary.
You're right it's arbitrary... and illogical. And, given that their definition for blackness was actually crafted by whites it's absurd. However they are certainly are not considered black universally...not even within the boundaries of the U.S. Real black people are black wherever we go.

There seem to be some places where one drop of white blood does make you white (i.e. La Republican Dominicana....seems like everyone I meet from there considered themselves to be white). I'd rather the Dominican definition hold over the generally accepted American one. I'm tired of people masquerading under the same label as me but if they want to pretend to be something else it's no concern of mine.
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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Mulatto was first used in the Census as early as 1850. The terms "Other" and "Free Colored" are thought to refer to mixed raced individuals in the Census before that.

Before variations of the one-drop rule became enshrined in law in the 20th century the standard for whiteness was based on appearance. Obviously if you appeared white and folks in the community knew you were of slave heritage it probably would be best if you moved elsewhere where such facts about your family were not known. Yet legally speaking you still were deemed white.

Famous Families | FRONTLINE | PBS
Many of the first families have at least one black ancestor since the color line was not as hard and fast during the first years of Colonial America in particular in Virginia and Maryland. In fact when Virginia passed their one-drop law variation they had to include an exception for the descendants of Pocahantas since many of Virginia's prominent families of "First Families" descend from her through her son.


Racial Integrity Act of 1924 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kind of sad how some have adopted what is the basis of Nazi racial ideology as their basis of what determines what it means to be Black.
Spend some time in Louisiana if you want to know how fine the color specturm can be sliced, mulatto, quadroon, octeroon, people 'passing' as well. If you can tell the person is Black, they're Black and likely to be treated as Black.

But as usual, your comments convey a sense of self-hatred of your very color and race. As though if you wandered into a Klan rally, they'd treat you any better because you're 'African by descent'- like Black Americans.

I shudder to think of the values self-hatred would breed into any progeny.
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