Gays Have Cooties (regular, military, Pennsylvania, elect)

[ScranBarre]

Now that I have your attention I feel as if it's about time to have a non-religious-oriented discussion about as to why those in the LGBT community are still not regarded as social equals in our nation, even as science comes nearer and nearer to proving that people can't "choose" their sexual orientations. I attempted a thread similar to this one months ago along the lines of "Any Non-Religious Reasons to Disapprove of Same-Sex Marriage," but naturally the Evangelicals from the South had to bring GOD into their replies since they are apparently incapable of intelligent debate without using their religion as a crutch. As such I'd ask that if you are a right-wing conservative from the South who can NOT refrain from using the word "GOD" in your reply to please NOT post in this thread! There are already plenty of gay-bashing threads on this forum for you to pontificate for the "benefit" of "enlightening" others to "see the light."

Seriously, folks. Why other than "God wouldn't want it that way" are gays still frowned upon in society?

[Cunucu Beach]

Originally Posted by ScranBarre

Seriously, folks. Why other than "God wouldn't want it that way" are gays still frowned upon in society?

Like it or not, many people harbor a deep seated aversion to homosexuality that has nothing to do with religion. They just consider it "unnatural", perhaps along the same lines as a woman's inability to love her own child (which DOES occur.) At least, that's my take on this subject.

[karfar]

Originally Posted by ScranBarre

Now that I have your attention I feel as if it's about time to have a non-religious-oriented discussion about as to why those in the LGBT community are still not regarded as social equals in our nation, even as science comes nearer and nearer to proving that people can't "choose" their sexual orientations. I attempted a thread similar to this one months ago along the lines of "Any Non-Religious Reasons to Disapprove of Same-Sex Marriage," but naturally the Evangelicals from the South had to bring GOD into their replies since they are apparently incapable of intelligent debate without using their religion as a crutch. As such I'd ask that if you are a right-wing conservative from the South who can NOT refrain from using the word "GOD" in your reply to please NOT post in this thread! There are already plenty of gay-bashing threads on this forum for you to pontificate for the "benefit" of "enlightening" others to "see the light."

Seriously, folks. Why other than "God wouldn't want it that way" are gays still frowned upon in society?

Oh you've got more than just the god argument, you also always hear the "it's unnatural", "they don't produce children, therefore they're useless to society", etc. etc. You're always going to have a lame-duck excuse for people who are against homosexuality. I've heard them all & all I can say is, bull**** to any & all reasons for people who are against homosexuality. The one & only reason you are against it is because you are prejudice & discriminatory. I have no need to listen to any more of the tired & useless "reasons" because they have no intellectual merit whatsoever, it's all emotional, which is fine & dandy, although emotional debate doesn't cut it in this instance.

[WillysB]

Now that I have your attention I feel as if it's about time to have a non-religious-oriented discussion about as to why those in the LGBT community are still not regarded as social equals in our nation

I think that would depend on who's doing the regarding. For a very large part people don't spend a lot of time thinking about gays. Excepting perhaps when H'wood has Emmy's and Oscar's. And a couple of soaps to tease the stay at homes.

Why would a social setting require sexual denominations?

I don't think I've seen a gay in the last year. at least not conversationally. Whoops, now you've gone and soiled my purity.

[LibertyandJusticeforAll]

really gays have cooties.. wow then can I hang out with lindsey lohan who is now suddenly "gay".

lol

[Cunucu Beach]

Originally Posted by WillysB

I think that would depend on who's doing the regarding. For a very large part people don't spend a lot of time thinking about gays. Excepting perhaps when H'wood has Emmy's and Oscar's. And a couple of soaps to tease the stay at homes.

Why would a social setting require sexual denominations?

The way I see it, it's gays themselves who make such a big deal about it. I don't think it matters to most people, although, as I stated above, some people do harbor a deep seated aversion to it that they are powerless to erase from their psyches.

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by Cunucu Beach

Like it or not, many people harbor a deep seated aversion to homosexuality that has nothing to do with religion. They just consider it "unnatural", perhaps along the same lines as a woman's inability to love her own child (which DOES occur.) At least, that's my take on this subject.

Science is coming closer and closer to concluding that sexual orientation is indeed inherent to an individual---it can not simply be "changed" or "selected" at-will. Even the Roman Catholic Church now recognizes that it is not sinful to be gay (assuming one doesn't engage in homosexually-oriented sexual activities). If and when over the next few years scientists finally DO conclude that being gay isn't a "choice," then is it still going to be logical to have "moral aversions" towards us?

Originally Posted by karfar

Oh you've got more than just the god argument, you also always hear the "it's unnatural", "they don't produce children, therefore they're useless to society", etc. etc. You're always going to have a lame-duck excuse for people who are against homosexuality. I've heard them all & all I can say is, bull**** to any & all reasons for people who are against homosexuality. The one & only reason you are against it is because you are prejudice & discriminatory. I have no need to listen to any more of the tired & useless "reasons" because they have no intellectual merit whatsoever, it's all emotional, which is fine & dandy, although emotional debate doesn't cut it in this instance.

I love the "they can't produce children" argument about us. What about heterosexual couples with fertility issues. Are they useless to society simply because they too can not conceive? Contrariwise I feel as if we're even more essential to society because for every teenage screw-up who gets pregnant and puts her baby up for adoption because she was too stupid to use birth control or demand that her partner use a condom, there is now a willing and loving homosexual or heterosexual couple out there willing to adopt it into a home of compassion and warmth.

If it's "unnatural" to be gay, then how does one explain all of the gay segments of other species? If they are incapable of rationalizing between "right" and "wrong," then aren't they likewise just doing what comes naturally to them?

Originally Posted by WillysB

I think that would depend on who's doing the regarding. For a very large part people don't spend a lot of time thinking about gays. Excepting perhaps when H'wood has Emmy's and Oscar's. And a couple of soaps to tease the stay at homes.

Why would a social setting require sexual denominations?

I don't think I've seen a gay in the last year. at least not conversationally. Whoops, now you've gone and soiled my purity.

Oh believe me you have indeed "seen a gay." We're not all as "obvious" as Jack McFarland from Will & Grace, Lance Bass, Elton John, or Clay Aiken. Some of us are rather masculine, play sports, have straight male friends, etc. and are only assumed to be gay when we're in public as couples. There are still quite a few people whom I've known for many years who ask me "Have a girlfriend yet?" We're a minority, but we're a very silent and very unnoticeable minority at that. We're also more sizable than what you would think.

Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll

really gays have cooties.. wow then can I hang out with lindsey lohan who is now suddenly "gay".

lol

I'd pay $1,000 to "hang out" with Lance Bass, but that's for a non-G-rated thread!

Originally Posted by Cunucu Beach

The way I see it, it's gays themselves who make such a big deal about it. I don't think it matters to most people, although, as I stated above, some people do harbor a deep seated aversion to it that they are powerless to erase from their psyches.

We "make such a big deal about it" because if we aren't running around flapping our gums about perceived social injustices then positive changes can never occur. When you're unhappy with the "status quo" then you have to make it known to those who have power to make things better. I can't voluntarily enlist in the military because apparently I might go crazy and rape my co-patriots, yet I could still be drafted at a moment's notice against my will? I can't visit my loved one in the hospital after five years in a romantic relationship together, yet a heterosexual who met an opposite-sex partner while being drunk at a bar and got hitched that same night in Vegas could? I can't have my medical benefits at work extended to my partner, yet my heterosexual colleagues can have both their spouses AND children covered? It's acceptable for people to scream "f*g" at me out of car windows during my runs in Pennsylvania? Need I continue?

[karfar]

Originally Posted by ScranBarre

We "make such a big deal about it" because if we aren't running around flapping our gums about perceived social injustices then positive changes can never occur.

You got that right. I'd like people to know that if it weren't for people calling awareness to issues, many of you would not be able to vote at this time.

[dvcgal]

I don't see what the big deal is. You know, for years I have heard the pro-life debate and I'm all for the pro-life debate IF they allow qualified people to adopt! This would of course include homosexual men and women (couple or not) and single men and women who would like to have children but have no partner. !!!
I think it's funny how people can't see that this is not a choice. I have always been attracted to men with dark hair, dark eyes, and most of the time they are usually tall. I can tell you that I have tried to date guys with blonde hair and they just don't do it for me in regards to physical attraction. This is the same concept with same sex couples! The opposite sex just doesn't do it for them! I don't know, to me this is common sense. You like who you like and there is nothing that you can do about it.

[AONE]

The answer is simple there is no reason. Being gay is as natural as being straight. It regularly shows itself in other species. Only man in his insecurity feels compelled to criticize. There are largely 2 tyoes that criticize, I will be kind and call one group the uninformed, while the other has internal conflict with the topic. The saying "Me thinks thou doth protest too much" comes to mind. I think if you had the ability to see the truth in people you would quickly realize there are 10% that are both pure gay and pure straight, that is to say there is no possibility for them to swing to the other side of their own free will. that leaves 80% that are the shades of gray and with varying degrees.
I have seen so many women and men for that matter that think just because they have sex with their husband they can't be gay. Having a proclivity for a penis does not mean theirs does not work.
At the risk of shocking many go to craigslist and search the term DL (down Low) in the men for men section. These are the men cheating on boyfriends, girk friends and wives. It is sad they live thier lives with the lies but in fact many do. far more than others are aware of. Is there a reason they are? no they jsut are, in most cases there is nothing worng with them, other than issues of self acceptance, but they are very normal and make up the people you interact with daily. Why spend a life judging what others do? spend you life working on your issues, when those are resolved you can works on someone elses...I think you will be called an Avatar at that point.
The truth be kjnown there is nothing wrong with being gay, iot is natural and adds to the world order in ways we likely dont realize. The issue is self acceptance, and judgements..
The World would be a bland place with out all of us adding our color. just because you enjoy the painting doesn't mean you are the artist. Enjoy ALL the beauty, that is far more "Christian" than judgements.