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View Poll Results: Should we continue the Alcohol Ban on San Diego Beaches ?
YES 47 40.17%
NO 70 59.83%
Voters: 117. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-27-2008, 11:11 AM
 
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I will Vote NO on Prop "D" ... I support a Holiday Ban and STRICT police enforcement of existing laws. We have plenty of laws already on the books to protect us, we don't need another law which taking away the privileges of ALL honest, hard working families who enjoy the beach culture of San Diego. Family picnics, Company Picnics, a Beach Campfire, watching the Sunset. This is the beach culture and we have earned the right to live our lifestyle. Vote No on "D" ... Demand Real Solutions!
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:56 PM
 
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Default Real Solutions to the Beach Alcohol Issue

First of all I refuse to accept the idea that a "family friendly" beach can not allow alcohol.

The adult beverage industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and that is not because of the lowlifes that caused a problem on Labor Day 2007, the majority of of people that used to go to the beach and have an adult beverage were responsible adults which probably have families themselves. Someone please explain why it should be illegal for these responsible adults to have a barbecue or birthday party on the beach or bay with their choice of refreshment? The fact that you are now a criminal if you do have that adult beverage is keeping people away from our beaches, which is exactly what the groups in favor of the permanent ban want.

Some possible real solutions:

More enforcement of existing laws. (For some reason this is constantly overlooked as a solution)
A holiday only ban. (Mayor Jerry Sanders agrees with this but I don't believe it is the best solution because many responsible adults like to come to the beach the most on holidays and enjoy the beverage of their choice)
Alcohol free zones. (Responsible adults always obey posted laws and the lowlifes that cause a problem wouldn't want to be there)
Increased fines for those who break alcohol related laws. (This is also constantly overlooked)
Combination of all four, Alcohol free zones on holidays with more enforcement of existing laws and increased fines. (Look at that, a real solution that does not punish the responsible 99% of San Diegans)

The one thing you can be absolutely sure of is a permanent alcohol ban as proposed in proposition D punishes responsible San Diegans that have never caused a problem and are not showing up at our beaches this year. A no vote on prop D will force the city council to come up with a solution that does not punish everyone for what a very few people did on Labor Day 2007.

The idea that the only solution is a permanent ban is simply an unwillingness to think.
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:03 PM
 
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GET The FACTS: NoOnPropD.org Private beach front property owners want a private “country club” like beach for their own private use. They don’t care if they drive EVERYONE away, that’s fine with them.


We do not want the beach culture taken away from us. We love the San Diego beach lifestyle. Hell we invented it! And we have worked hard to earn the right to make our own decisions at the beach.

Demand Real Solutions! Including;
Holiday Ban
More Law Enforcement
Triple fines for violators

We can pay for these ideas with money the tourist pay to stay in our hotels. No on “D”

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Old 09-27-2008, 04:14 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by j760 View Post
I'm undecided so I can't vote.
I purposely made the poll options only YES and NO.

City-Data only allows a forum member to vote one time in a poll thread, so I would rather wait until you've made a decision rather than count you as undecided.
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Old 09-27-2008, 04:43 PM
 
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Wow. For those who voted to have alcohol on the beach, did you actually see the videos at SafeBeaches.org: Multimedia Gallery?


Hey, people still go to Mission Bay to Drink
See
YouTube - Mission Bay Floating Party
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Old 09-27-2008, 06:45 PM
 
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Default I did see the videos on their site. I'll still vote NO on Prop D

I have seen the videos on YouTube. That's exactly why I'm voting NO on Proposition D and then YES on a holiday-weekend ban when that hopefully goes on the next ballot. Mayor Jerry Sanders has already suggested that solution.

I used to be against a ban of any kind, but then realized that a holiday weekend ban is the solution that will still let regular San Diegans enjoy the freedom they've earned. It'll also help keep away the packs of morons who cause come in from out of town on the big weekends and ruin things for us locals though.

Don't buy into these guys' slash-and-burn tactics. They've created a false dilemma that they hope you're dumb enough to buy into. There are REAL solutions for the challenges of having free and friendly beaches. Proposition D is not one of those solutions.
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Old 09-27-2008, 06:53 PM
 
Location: California
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A more reasonable solution to this is banning all 'bros' from the beach. Or maybe a police injunction on said bros.

The hipsters in LA are nothing compared to the bros of San Diego.
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I can now see that this thread is being overtaken by people who are joining City-Data forum specifically to comment on our Alcohol Ban threads.

I am guessing they are from the VoteNoOnPropD website.

Most likely they are doing a web search for "San Diego Alcohol Ban" and then making comments on whatever websites they find talking about the ban.

Three of them joined today, and their only posts have been in the ban alcohol threads.

It looks like they are even adding reputation points for each other's posts.

This wasn't what I had originally hoped for in this poll.

I was hoping to conduct an honest poll, with just the regular City-Data members participating, so the vote wouldn't be skewed one way or the other.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:11 PM
 
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Default Skewed poll?

Your post introducing this poll was blatantly biased. Someone had to stand up and balance out what you're trying to goad people into saying. Seems like you're kind of steamed that someone showed up and presented the opposite side of your argument.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Please re-read my initial post, and you will see that it simply states the history behind the alcohol ban, and makes a simple request for people to participate in my poll.

It also requests that if you wish to add comments to this thread, please be "polite" and "non-confrontational".

Last edited by RD5050; 09-27-2008 at 09:33 PM..
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