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Old 09-30-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Paul is deeply confused about politics and political economy, is a selective Libertarian (a bogus political philosophy to begin with), and comes off on TV as if he is in a perpetual hangover.

He is pro-life (Cult of the Fetus) and advocates "hard money," so he is an idiot right out of the box. He is also a von Hayek follower. Say no more.

Paul doesn't understand that smaller government means Big Capital once again runs America with impunity (the Board of Directors of Exxon doesn't stand for reelection by the electorate every couple of years, does it?), basically what you have seen in 8 years under Dubya. No thanks for more of that.
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Old 09-30-2008, 01:56 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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Paul is deeply confused about politics and political economy, is a selective Libertarian (a bogus political philosophy to begin with), and comes off on TV as if he is in a perpetual hangover.
Yet another baseless statement, and you throw in a dismissal of an ideology for good measure. Good grief!

How about you start a thread with an actual issue that you disagree with on Ron Paul's voting record or platform statement... or even go broader and disagree with a specific issue with libertarianism. Or are you afraid of dialogue where you may be asked to provide specifics instead of continuing to generalize with baseless statements?
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You asked for my opinion, not an argument with justifications. My point of view on these issues is well publicized on this forum.
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Libertarianism = "citizenship lite"
= glorification and institutionalization of selfishness
= shrinking of the American economy (no Federal income tax, etc.)
= handing over the economy and national politics to Big Capital, which was tried once for many decades leading up the Great Depression, no thanks for more of that
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Paul is deeply confused about politics and political economy, is a selective Libertarian (a bogus political philosophy to begin with), and comes off on TV as if he is in a perpetual hangover.

He is pro-life (Cult of the Fetus) and advocates "hard money," so he is an idiot right out of the box. He is also a von Hayek follower. Say no more.

Paul doesn't understand that smaller government means Big Capital once again runs America with impunity (the Board of Directors of Exxon doesn't stand for reelection by the electorate every couple of years, does it?), basically what you have seen in 8 years under Dubya. No thanks for more of that.
LOL. Small government is NOT what we've had under Bush. As for "hard money", I tend to agree that Paul's ideas lack some necessary adjustments that account for the finite supply of currencies based on gold and silver. Still, we could have several currencies with internal exchanges rates rather than just two. It works globally. I also agree that he is too socially theological, but those things don't matter to me since I can live in any state I want if mine outlaws any social issue that is relative to me.

Austrian economic theory has predicted these bubbles before and will continue to do so. While not perfect, as any ideology isn't, Austrian economics would result in more individual responsibility rather than government regulation of the one thing that matters most, the people.

So. Paul really is a kook. He's against everything that's falling down around us today.
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:04 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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No... it says that those in government wish to manipulate the market in order to stay elected by trading short term illusions of stability for long term havoc.

Propping up failing banks doesn't prove that capitalism doesn't work... it proves that failures are a possibility, which has been a known fact for quite some time.
Where is the failure when the companies know that the Govt. will bail them out? Failure means consequenses which their aren't any at the moment. Wouldn't it be nice if all business owners knew that they can rape their own companies and the Govt. will ride to the rescue. That isn't capitalism, that is private greed wrapped in Govt. protection.
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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personal responsibility = selfishness. Just so we're clear on our terminology.
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Big Capital and Big Government can obviously co-exist to the benefit of each.
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Where is the failure when the companies know that the Govt. will bail them out? Failure means consequenses which their aren't any at the moment. Wouldn't it be nice if all business owners knew that they can rape their own companies and the Govt. will ride to the rescue. That isn't capitalism, that is private greed wrapped in Govt. protection.
Which isn't socialism either. It's corporatism. The very thing the small government proponents claim Paul is for. Socialism is when government provides for the people.

Capitalism is built on a system that rewards innovation and planning while punishing those that fail. Our government is determined to stop that.
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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"Austrian economic theory has predicted these bubbles before and will continue to do so."

Duh! It's called insufficient regulation of the markets, which the Austrians also love to espouse!
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