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Old 09-30-2008, 08:27 AM
 
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Decadence can refer to a personal trait, or to the state of a society (or segment of it). Used to describe a person's lifestyle, it describes a lack of moral and intellectual discipline, or in the Concise Oxford Dictionary: "a luxurious self-indulgence". In a society, it describes corrosive decline due to a perceived erosion of necessary moral traditions.


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Haven't we learned anything? People were buying so much luxurious items (boats, fitness equipment, going on cruises, the houses they never could afford, expensive cars) all by having a mortgage they never could afford, or using their credit card without having the means of paying them off.....did they really never think that there wouldn't be any consiquences?

Well now we have to pay the price and let is solve it by it self...maybe hard times for the people who had such a good times spending money on things they never had the money for, so now they have to change their lifestyle...not having others bailing them out! JMO!
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Old 09-30-2008, 08:32 AM
 
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Rome went under for a lot more reasons than just, "decadence."

Americans need to learn restraint from hereon, but it's a catch 22. Consumption drives the economy. It self-feeds. The #1 biggest threat to the US economy is if Americans started saving their money.

Save money = loss of jobs = loss of money = loss of jobs ...

On the other hand, too much debt trying to consume ALSO produces those results.
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Old 09-30-2008, 08:55 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Empires are born stoic, but die epicurian.

Have a nice day!

Mackinac
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Old 09-30-2008, 09:01 AM
 
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Rome fell because they spread themselves out too thin, mainly in a geographic sense, same thing with the British empire.
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Old 09-30-2008, 09:07 AM
 
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According to a history channel show I saw Malaria was in part a reason for the decline.Malaria was rampant in certain areas of the empire causing some areas to be abandoned and wealth decreased.
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Old 09-30-2008, 09:17 AM
 
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Rome fell because they spread themselves out too thin, mainly in a geographic sense, same thing with the British empire.
A prof (Kennedy? from Yale?) wrote ("Rise and Fall of Empires"? -google for exact title) on these and attributed it to "imperial overstretch" - and "stretching themselves out too thin" as you put it well. While Afghanistan was justified, Iraq to me was not and an example of overstretch. It cost us $600 billion to 1 trillion. Paulson is asking for $700 bil. Yes, we stretched ourselves and should avoid doing so in the future unless there is a need (like Afghanistan). Else, with other countries rising, we need to adjust our mindset to live in a multi-polar world by the end of this century.
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Old 09-30-2008, 09:23 AM
 
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A prof (Kennedy? from Yale?) wrote ("Rise and Fall of Empires"? -google for exact title) on these and attributed it to "imperial overstretch" - and "stretching themselves out too thin" as you put it well. While Afghanistan was justified, Iraq to me was not and an example of overstretch. It cost us $600 billion to 1 trillion. Paulson is asking for $700 bil. Yes, we stretched ourselves and should avoid doing so in the future unless there is a need (like Afghanistan). Else, with other countries rising, we need to adjust our mindset to live in a multi-polar world by the end of this century.
Precisely. We need to pull out as soon as we can. Turn this country back into an impenetrable, self-sustaining fortress it once was.
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Old 09-30-2008, 09:33 AM
 
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Turn this country back into an impenetrable, self-sustaining fortress it once was.
In a small world that is getting smaller and when we all share resources etc, this would be impossible to do. We could use our money much more wisely though to build a stronger country -for example by investing less in defense and more in R&D /technology/science.
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Old 09-30-2008, 11:42 AM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Rome went under for a lot more reasons than just, "decadence."

Americans need to learn restraint from hereon, but it's a catch 22. Consumption drives the economy. It self-feeds. The #1 biggest threat to the US economy is if Americans started saving their money.

Save money = loss of jobs = loss of money = loss of jobs ...

On the other hand, too much debt trying to consume ALSO produces those results.

I agree decadence was the least of their problems and ours .
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Old 09-30-2008, 11:48 AM
 
Location: S.Florida
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According to a history channel show I saw Malaria was in part a reason for the decline.Malaria was rampant in certain areas of the empire causing some areas to be abandoned and wealth decreased.

Yes that was a problem but when Roman soldiers begin to defect to the "barbarian" side because they no longer support the Empire .
Than there is a lot wrong with the Empire.
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