I thought all Money Bills had to begin in the House and not the Senate? (house of representatives, lobbyists)

[nbres]

If I remember my Civic lessons I thought all appropriation bills had to begin in the House of Representatives first. Spending $850 billion does sound like an appropriation.

Doesn't the House have to approve the appropriation first and then the bill goes to the Senate.

What is happening tonight is unconstitutional then.

[paperhouse]

They're attaching it to another spending bill as an amendment instead of a vote up or down. So while everyone has to vote on it individually, they can get back to campaigning to keep their seats as soon as it passes. The House will put it to a vote on Thursday and the inflation rate counter won't be able to keep up.

[nbres]

Originally Posted by paperhouse

They're attaching it to another spending bill as an amendment instead of a vote up or down. So while everyone has to vote on it individually, they can get back to campaigning to keep their seats as soon as it passes. The House will put it to a vote on Thursday and the inflation rate counter won't be able to keep up.

How can we claim to be a democratic republic any longer.

Is this not the very essence of tyranny.

The people speak and our government ignores us and tries to pass legislation in the middle of the night like the criminals they are.

Didn't George III ignore the petitions of the people as well.

[paperhouse]

Originally Posted by nbres

How can we claim to be a democratic republic any longer.

Is this not the very essence of tyranny.

The people speak and our government ignores us and tries to pass legislation in the middle of the night like the criminals they are.

Didn't George III ignore the petitions of the people as well.

The worst that can happen to them is two years off doing speaking engagements before coming back to Capitol Hill as lobbyists.

I honestly think that this bill will pass. In a month, they'll be back asking for more. There's a derivatives market out there that Warren Buffett can't even understand. I hope they have a good explanation when this bill does nothing but move the final date further out. At some point, they'll have to stop spending. At least we'll have hyperinflation and the debt will be easy to pay off since those dollars will be worthless.

[Tesaje]

No, it's just the usual way they do business. All bills must pass both houses and prez unless both houses overturn the veto. Sometimes bills will originate in the Senate, go to the house, then back to the senate until they agree on it.

I figure the best that might come of this huge giveaway is a temporary stock market rise for a couple of months, then another huge fall and even more failures next year. This doesn't even address the problem. It's just a scam for the fat cats in the White house and their buddies. The cancer is bad.

[paperhouse]

63 votes already. It's passed. Here we come hyperinflation.

[Tesaje]

Originally Posted by paperhouse

63 votes already. It's passed. Here we come hyperinflation.

It's not law yet. It still has to pass the house with the same language before it goes to the prez. If the house changes anything, then it has to go back to the senate.

[paperhouse]

Originally Posted by Tesaje

It's not law yet. It still has to pass the house with the same language before it goes to the prez. If the house changes anything, then it has to go back to the senate.

I'm betting on the House passing it as is. Support has already started wavering. They loaded this thing up with more goodies than an old fashioned candy shop.

off topic: A Connecticut candy store found melamine in some of their products made with Chinese milk. And this bill will help them transfer their bad investments to us too. Double time!

[HappyTexan]

Well they tacked on enough pretty bows to hope to win over the House and get it passed.

I hope the House listens to the people and not the banksters.

[NCyank]

Originally Posted by Tesaje

No, it's just the usual way they do business. All bills must pass both houses and prez unless both houses overturn the veto. Sometimes bills will originate in the Senate, go to the house, then back to the senate until they agree on it.

Nope, OP is correct. Finance bills have to originate in the House. Specifically, bills that appropriate federal funds, raise taxes, etc. PP explained it already. They are tacking this on to a non-finance bill so the Senate can vote on it first and put some pressure on the house. This is not the way it is supposed to be according to the Constitution. However, as Sen Coburn's speech this evening pointed out, they are so far beyond Constitutional boundaries already, this is just one more peg in the board.