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there is no doubt about it. the child free get the poop end of the stick for their personal choices. I think it's BS, but those with children always come up with weak arguments. I can't see any problem that someone with kids would have with this plan.
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Originally Posted by TKramar
I don't understand why it's considered acceptable to discriminate against the childfree.
Tobacco is definitely not a necessity to live in this country, and it's not a necessity for a high quality of life. If someone has to pay $5 for a pack of cigarettes, smoke less often or reduce the need for future healthcare by quitting. Smoking contributes to many health issues, which require healthcare funds to treat. I have no problem at all with implementing tobacco taxes to fund healthcare programs.
I would have a problem with raising taxes on anything that is necessary for living - inexpensive clothes, food, and shelter, since that would directly affect every poor family in the country. However, tobacco and alcohol are used by every social group in the country, while not being a necessity for a good quality of life, so I have no problem with healthcare taxes being implemented to them.
That is still an unfair attack on a certain group of people. Driving is not a necessity for a good quality of life judging from your list of items, so would you be for an increased fuel tax? Not fair, you say, because smoking is bad for you and driving is not. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have been hurt or lost a friend in a car accident. To constantly raise taxes to target a specific group of people begins to look like prejudice.
I am a 29 year old father of 2 who has never really been able to keep up with a $500 dollar a month insurance payment. It just isn't in the books for me right now. When someone in my family gets sick, they go to the doctor and I pay the bill. Sure, there may come a day when something is wrong that I can't handle like that. But maybe by then I will be in a better way as far as my finances go and I will have health coverage. I believe it is my responsibility to care for my own, and I won't lie and say that pride has nothing to do with it. If my family was starving, I would take the help of a neighbor. But I bet I'd be out back cutting their lawn or something before the day was out. As far as J's plan goes, it does sound workable except for the fact that contrary to popular belief not all parents get these huge checks back every year. The most I ever received was $1900 dollars as a parent and that was mainly because I was working an $8.00 an hour job so I got most of my taxes back. That wouldn't cover 4 months of healthcare. You are better off just living your life and taking care of the bumps when they pop up. I'll tell you something else too, if parents would stop taking little Timmy to the doctor every time he gets a bruise or a runny nose they'd see it really doesn't cost that much to see to your child's health. Real healthcare begins at home, and as long as you take proper care of them mind, body, and soul most parents will have relatively few problems. Broken limbs happen, but you can pay for them without some multi billion dollar insurance conglomerate. The core of my statement here is to state that I believe in the responsibility of the parent in taking care of their child.
PS I would also like to say that most insurance companies are simply bottomless pits you toss money into and when you need them most they find a way to leave us hanging. So really, who needs them anyway.
this seems to be a big issue. who is responsible for paying for a child's health care? I have a solution that will ensure all children health care, and will not raise taxes on anyone. this plan will also ensure that only those with children are paying for children's health care. the SCHIP programs was to be financed on increased taxes on tobacco, which is an indirect tax on the poor. it's simple, we get rid of the child tax credit. instead of the government writing large checks for parents each spring, they can use that money to finance guaranteed health care for all kids. an easy solution with no tax increase. I can't believe this has never been proposed.
this seems to be a big issue. who is responsible for paying for a child's health care? I have a solution that will ensure all children health care, and will not raise taxes on anyone. this plan will also ensure that only those with children are paying for children's health care. the SCHIP programs was to be financed on increased taxes on tobacco, which is an indirect tax on the poor. it's simple, we get rid of the child tax credit. instead of the government writing large checks for parents each spring, they can use that money to finance guaranteed health care for all kids. an easy solution with no tax increase. I can't believe this has never been proposed.
Also a $1.50 tax on a six pack of beer and $2.00 on a bottle of wine..
you know how I am about personal responsibility, so this is my compromise. I need to hear from a liberal parent! I want to see how much they want the government to provide for the children if it comes directly out of their pocket.
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Originally Posted by Reads2MUCH
I am a 29 year old father of 2 who has never really been able to keep up with a $500 dollar a month insurance payment. It just isn't in the books for me right now. When someone in my family gets sick, they go to the doctor and I pay the bill. Sure, there may come a day when something is wrong that I can't handle like that. But maybe by then I will be in a better way as far as my finances go and I will have health coverage. I believe it is my responsibility to care for my own, and I won't lie and say that pride has nothing to do with it. If my family was starving, I would take the help of a neighbor. But I bet I'd be out back cutting their lawn or something before the day was out. As far as J's plan goes, it does sound workable except for the fact that contrary to popular belief not all parents get these huge checks back every year. The most I ever received was $1900 dollars as a parent and that was mainly because I was working an $8.00 an hour job so I got most of my taxes back. That wouldn't cover 4 months of healthcare. You are better off just living your life and taking care of the bumps when they pop up. I'll tell you something else too, if parents would stop taking little Timmy to the doctor every time he gets a bruise or a runny nose they'd see it really doesn't cost that much to see to your child's health. Real healthcare begins at home, and as long as you take proper care of them mind, body, and soul most parents will have relatively few problems. Broken limbs happen, but you can pay for them without some multi billion dollar insurance conglomerate. The core of my statement here is to state that I believe in the responsibility of the parent in taking care of their child.
PS I would also like to say that most insurance companies are simply bottomless pits you toss money into and when you need them most they find a way to leave us hanging. So really, who needs them anyway.
I don't want it. this plan ensures that the parents are responsible for it. the money comes from them. the money that used to go out to them in the spring, is now going to pay for health care. if I had my way, we would get rid of WIC, and many other social services.
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Originally Posted by Houston3
He did for more money for the school system.
Why do some people want everyone else to support their children?
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I want to see how much they want the government to provide for the children if it comes directly out of their pocket. 
