Pro-Choice vs. Anti-Abortion (Jesus, private school, doctor, depression)

[Phillip Dalon]

I am pro-abortion (choice is just trying to make it sound better), I cannot, and neither can you, justify this from a moral standpoint. I, and you know it is wrong. I just don't want the present law changed, and I hope God forgives me.

Originally Posted by ontheroad

Undoubtedly, different people will have different takes on this question.

I am pro-choice, and very anti-abortion. This may sound contradictory, but it isn't. I believe each woman, and when plausible, each pregnant woman with her mate or parental advisors, should discuss the pros and cons of an abortion and make an informed, personal decision.

If people would take the idea of pregnancy more seriously, they'll also start to take birth control measures much more seriously. Abortion should not be used in place of birth control. However, the facts are we don't teach sex education uniformly and therefore woman can't make an informed decision about how having or not having a child is a life and death issue. As a society many oppose abortion, but many of those same people also oppose birth control....conundrum #17.

When people can't and don't acknowledge their pregnancy, we often see late term abortion. However, late term abortions are not as common as people would like to suggest, and when late-term abortion does occur it is generally for medical reasons--not caprice!

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by Phillip Dalon

I am pro-abortion (choice is just trying to make it sound better), I cannot, and neither can you, justify this from a moral standpoint. I, and you know it is wrong. I just don't want the present law changed, and I hope God forgives me.

Can you justify it from a property rights standpoint? If not, from what point can you justify it?

[ontheroad]

Thank you for joining the discussion.

Perhaps it is semantics--but for me it sets the staging for my own thinking: I want choice on the table--always!

Originally Posted by Phillip Dalon

I am pro-abortion (choice is just trying to make it sound better), I cannot, and neither can you, justify this from a moral standpoint. I, and you know it is wrong. I just don't want the present law changed, and I hope God forgives me.

[alexander59]

This is a right of privacy plain and simple its my right as a female to do what I want with my body, when the fetus becomes a viable life, a life that can sustain itself by its self then it becomes a person until that time it is still a parasite that is using my body.
I have never ever known anyone that is pro abortion this is a very personal heart and gut wrenching decision for most everyone that gets involved.
I grew up in the fifties and young women were forced into marriage, fathers were known to beat their daughters when told, abortions were done by coat-hangers and many other unmentionable things not the least of all a fist.

Whether you are so called pro life or a right to choose person its not for us to make that decision its the decision of the woman.
For those of you that are pro life, then you have to be just that, you can't pick and choose what fetus to save, whether its a rapists fetus or the boy next door, or even the girls fathers, remember to you a life is a life, no picking or choosing.

[ontheroad]

I really appreciate your thoughts and examples.

It is probably because of those "hangers" that I am so pro-choice!

I remember discussing the issue of abortion with an OB-GYN in Paris (circa 1989). She was so keen on choice, she went to another country to learn the procedures back when France was very anti-abortion. I believe she had to go to either the Netherlands or Belgium for the training. It was a great talk, and we both learned a great deal about values, morals and law--but most significent to us both was how essential it is to have the right to chose.

Originally Posted by alexander59

This is a right of privacy plain and simple its my right as a female to do what I want with my body, when the fetus becomes a viable life, a life that can sustain itself by its self then it becomes a person until that time it is still a parasite that is using my body.
I have never ever known anyone that is pro abortion this is a very personal heart and gut wrenching decision for most everyone that gets involved.
I grew up in the fifties and young women were forced into marriage, fathers were known to beat their daughters when told, abortions were done by coat-hangers and many other unmentionable things not the least of all a fist.

Whether you are so called pro life or a right to choose person its not for us to make that decision its the decision of the woman.
For those of you that are pro life, then you have to be just that, you can't pick and choose what fetus to save, whether its a rapists fetus or the boy next door, or even the girls fathers, remember to you a life is a life, no picking or choosing.

[plaidmom]

It is probably because of those "hangers" that I am so pro-choice!

I know this isn't the "movie" thread...but you should see "Vera Drake" if you haven't already done so.

[ontheroad]

I looked it up. Yup, it is relevant to our discussion. I'm off to get some movies now; perhaps they'll have this one.

If I read the blurb correctly, it reminds me of those days when people did just that: went door to door, steathily providing abortions. I suppose I left that out of my Paris story: how physicians had to perform abortions under unsanitary and dangerous conditions. and were also all subject to jail sentences!

Originally Posted by plaidmom

I know this isn't the "movie" thread...but you should see "Vera Drake" if you haven't already done so.

[ontheroad]

Well, it appears that the Vera Drake was stolen.

I wonder if it was a pro-choice or anti-abortion member!

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by alexander59

This is a right of privacy plain and simple its my right as a female to do what I want with my body, when the fetus becomes a viable life, a life that can sustain itself by its self then it becomes a person until that time it is still a parasite that is using my body.
I have never ever known anyone that is pro abortion this is a very personal heart and gut wrenching decision for most everyone that gets involved.
I grew up in the fifties and young women were forced into marriage, fathers were known to beat their daughters when told, abortions were done by coat-hangers and many other unmentionable things not the least of all a fist.

Whether you are so called pro life or a right to choose person its not for us to make that decision its the decision of the woman.
For those of you that are pro life, then you have to be just that, you can't pick and choose what fetus to save, whether its a rapists fetus or the boy next door, or even the girls fathers, remember to you a life is a life, no picking or choosing.

When do you think the fetus becomes a viable life?

[RedNC]

Originally Posted by Amaznjohn

When do you think the fetus becomes a viable life?

According to her, "it is still a parasite that is using my body". I doubt you will get an answer worth listening to.