Pro-Choice vs. Anti-Abortion (Congress, how much, school, bias)

[HIF]

Originally Posted by MoMark

Sorry for misidentifying you then with that word. My apology. However, upon rereading my analogy...it's actually better than I thought

No it wasn't. Or maybe it was and we just don't agree on that either Because, if I didn't think I was the right person to take care of gramps, I wouldn't do it. I'm not motivated by guilt, but by doing what I feel is the right thing to do.

In both cases we just disagree on what that would be.

[YapCity]

Originally Posted by hereinfla

The title of this tread could not be more clear.

Pro-choice- ie: in favor of a woman's choice to terminate a pregnancy or to carry it to term. Whereas those against abortion would be appropriately labeled anti-abortion- ie- against or opposed to.

I've had two kids and also am pro-adoption, but I support a woman's right to make her own decision. Therefore, to label me as pro-abortion would be inaccurate.

I agree as well. I'm not "pro abortion". I'd rather see the baby born, but I'm also not arrogant enough to tell a woman what to do with her own body.

The thing that really kills me about this ultra right wing view is that the same group despises public assistance. Well if an impoverished woman finds herself pregnant, I guess she is supposed to not only find a job or two making a living wage, but also have enough left over to pay the daycare she needs to work?

These people make no sense to me. You're either in, or you're out. If you want to abolish abortion, then somehow those kids need to be fed. If you're not ready to make poverty your business, then stop trying to make another woman's body your business.

-TT

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by jgussler

I can say this. If abortion is completely banned, my fear would be that girls would start handling it on their own again, you know, the old coat hanger trick.

That's my main concern... my mother had a friend in college who did that, and ended up dying - at age 19. For the people who are anti-abortion, do you really think it'll stop girls from having back-alley or "shady" abortions? That's also why I'm not in favor of minor notification, because that will lead to the same results... we know how teenagers think, and most would rather risk their lives than tell mom & dad they got pregnant.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by RedNC

I'm not assuming anything.

Didn't say you were... but I've heard that old argument time & time again, so figured it was worth responding before anyone makes those assumptions. And you were implying that, no matter how it was phrased.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by MoMark

Sorry for misidentifying you then with that word. My apology. However, upon rereading my analogy...it's actually better than I thought

A P.S.
I can see the other part and I agree. Just because one becomes pregnant accidentally doesn't mean that one can't carry a child to term and then put it up for adoption. I just assumed you meant abort it to avoid the responsibility for it. I shouldn't have assumed and clearly I didn't consider the possibility of having the baby and putting it up for adoption, which I absolutely agree with.

But as any woman knows, going through pregnancy is a HUGE deal, and one that can have lifelong effects... especially for a 14-15 year old, who will be forever changed after being pregnant & giving birth. Not to mention, unless it's a healthy white baby, it could end up in foster care for most/all of it's childhood. I'm not saying these are factors that would convince ME, since I personally would choose not to terminate... but these are the reasons I support other women's right to choose. I know men hate to hear it, but only a woman can truly understand some of this.

[HIF]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

That's my main concern... my mother had a friend in college who did that, and ended up dying - at age 19. For the people who are pro-life, do you really think it'll stop girls from having back-alley or "shady" abortions? That's also why I'm not in favor of minor notification, because that will lead to the same results... we know how teenagers think, and most would rather risk their lives than tell mom & dad they got pregnant.

I agree with you Gizmo. I've seen it so many times. Sometimes with those especially close to their parents because they don't want to let them down.

I think I am going to leave this thread as I don't want to rehash the same arguments that have been going around for decades with men who will never know and could not imagine being in the situation.

Kinda like a straight person telling a gay person that being homosexual is a choice

[MoMark]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

I know men hate to hear this, but only a woman can truly understand some of this.

I don't buy that line or reason for an instant gizmo!!! The issue of the value of a human life is not sex-dependent.

[RockyMtnr]

Originally Posted by MoMark

I don't buy that line or reason for an instant gizmo!!! The issue of the value of a human life is not sex-dependent.

Errrr... Actually Mark, I do buy it a tad. It's why I jumped on the "pro-choice" bandwagon so many years ago - while my ethics are easy to figure and handle, it's my "malemanship" that leaves me feeling like I'm in the wrong place on addressing the overall issue.

[SandyCo]

I'm a little late to this discussion, but I am pro-choice. While the sheer number of abortions might drop dramatically if abortion became illegal, the number of women dying from botched jobs would also go up. Also, I'd like see every anti-abortionist out there step up to the plate and get involved in foster care or adoption.

However, abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. I think repeated abortions certainly aren't healthy.

I'm wondering why there are exceptions in some people's minds... Why the exceptions in the cases of rape or incest? Why not force the victim to carry the baby to term and then give it up for adoption? After all, if abortion is murder, then it's murder in any context. It's no less murderous because the situation is different. (By the way, I am also pro death penalty. At least I'm consistent!)

I'd like to add that I'm surprised and grateful at how civil this thread has remained, given people's diametrically opposing views. And now that I have given my opinion, I shall also step aside...

[madicarus2000]

Ok, I'll jump into the fray a little, I'm pro-choice, but I also believe if we had a better and more comprehensive sex education for the youth, there wouldn't be as many abortions. It wont eliminate it, but in my opinion it will certainly reduce the number of abortions performed as it wouldnt be post-intercourse-birth control.